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Hardened Veteran Guardsman




Maryland

I tried to search for this specifically, but could not find anything...want to see how people are playing this.

Say I have a Tactical squad with 8 bolters. Only one of them can see an enemy unit and is in range. Can all 8 shoot at the target unit, even if the other 7 lack LOS or range?

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Regular Dakkanaut




Range is measured from the weapon, LOS is determined by the model.

So in your example, you get one bolter attack.

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Hardened Veteran Guardsman




Maryland

Thank you for the reply.

My confusion comes from the wording of Shooting Phase 2. Choose Targets it specifically says "In order to target an enemy unit, a model from that unit must be within the range of the weapon being used and visible to the shooting model.".

It says a model in the unit (singular), not all the models in the unit. The sentence is structured very poorly. I could possibly buy that if a model can't see a target it, it can't shoot it (although it can still shoot outside of range)...except that the target can pull wounds from models that are out of LOS and range, so it seems to me that the logic would extend to shooting unit as well.

Not trying to argue, I just want to know which is the right way.

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Sinewy Scourge




The wording seems fine to me. I'll add a clarifying parenthesis:

"In order to target an enemy unit, a model in that unit(1) must be within range of the weapon (2) being used and visible to the shooting model (3)."

(1) meaning the enemy unit
(2) each and every individual weapon, because this is explaining one at a time firing
(3) The specific model doing the shooting, like 2 each and every model that shoots must fulfil this.

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Maryland

OK. That makes sense. Thanks for the help. I think it may have been easier if they used unit a or b or model a or b or even an ordered list of criteria.

The subject of the sentence is the shooting unit (if you follow the phrase "in order to target"), so when I read "a model in that unit" I refer to the subject (again the shooting unit). It is also the subject of the sentences before and after it. You normally don't start a sentence with a preposition and then also refer to the subject in the preposition. At the very least there is subject confusion. However I think you are right as the wording within would not be used for the shooting unit.






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Sinewy Scourge




I'm pretty sure the subject is the enemy unit. The independent clause of the sentence is the second clause, with the first being the dependent clause. It's fairly common to move a conditional dependent clause in front of the primary independent clause in BrE and in many European languages. I'm actually teaching my students about this structure at the moment. I don't speak AmE very well at all and am aware that it has a bunch of extra rules that, I personally, find very confusing.

You could rearrange the clauses as:

"A model in an enemy unit must be within range of the weapon being used and visible to the shooting model, in order to target that unit."

To my sensibilities that is far harder to read and understand, with the way it is written being simpler, but it has the exact same meaning, it is simply a clausal reordering.
   
 
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