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Is anyone else running into this problem? I mean 8th JUST dropped so I am hoping that once the hubbub dies down it won't be an issue.


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Its been what, less than a week? It's The New Hotness(tm) so I'd give it a month or so to die down.
   
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Yeah just people (rightly) trying out their new toys and rules. It'll pick back up.

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30k is what you make of it.

Start a campain with a narrative based on something from one of the black books - i'm preparing for an Isstvan 3 series of games and the scope for scenarios that mean something is huge!

The mentions of rebellion aboard certain vessels in the traitor fleet are going to get some attention as well as the initial invasion of Isstvan 3 by loyalist forces of the warmaster.
I'm particularly looking forward to the resistance of the Ordo Reductor forces on board the 'Proudheart' (Eidolons personal flagship) - we already had a test game set in the hold using zone mortalis and core rules from 6th edition and it was wicked fun!
Favourite moment: my Magos reduced an armoured container to slag with the inferno-pistol on his machinator array, allowing the Thallax behind him to blast away at the enemy elite troops that were behind it.

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Yeah, even me and my friends are hardcore 30K players, but we've been playing 8th. We'll be playing our first 30K game tomorrow, since the game store made the rules public (so about 3 weeks).

There is only so much time in one life, so when something new and exciting comes along, folks are going to try it out. It's way to early to be saying 8th is having any impact on 30K play.

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Yep, 30k will die if it doesn't update to 8th.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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 DarknessEternal wrote:
Yep, 30k will die if it doesn't update to 8th.




Getting tired of this type of talk. We had a lot more people watching our game of 30K today then the 40K game going on at the table next to us.

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I went to my flgs earlier on and found two new HH players - one with ~6000pts of really nicely painted and customised world eaters and the other with about the same of white scars/custodes/sisters of silence; the custodes player was proxying caladius grav tanks as LRs in their 8th edition game.

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My community has all but abandoned HH until it updates to 8th rules.

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Wow. They do know that the upcoming rulebook is based on 7th, right?

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I'm sure they do. We'll see what happens.

Literally all of them have hobby A.D.D. They jump from any number of games in the span of a month. This month it's 40K 8th. It will probably start cycling round next time the store owners decide that HH needs another push.

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 SirDonlad wrote:
Wow. They do know that the upcoming rulebook is based on 7th, right?


Which is irrelevant to people who prefer to play 8th.
30K isn't going to "die" if it doesn't update to 8th, but it also isn't going to thrive, either. As new people come in to 40K and its 8th Edition rules, they will be unable to crossplay with 30K players. While one person rather dismissively put it in another thread "you're not playing 30K, you're playing 40K with a FW army list", it was still that very crossplay between the two that allowed 30K to thrive in the first place. All those new 8th Edition people who basically pick any army other than marines will be relegated to simply watching others play 30K. They won't get to play because they chose the "wrong" army in the "wrong" edition.

And even if those new players in 8th chose marines, there are people who will still tell them they chose the "wrong" marines, because MkVII isn't historically accurate in 30K.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 SirDonlad wrote:
Wow. They do know that the upcoming rulebook is based on 7th, right?


Which is irrelevant to people who prefer to play 8th.
30K isn't going to "die" if it doesn't update to 8th, but it also isn't going to thrive, either. As new people come in to 40K and its 8th Edition rules, they will be unable to crossplay with 30K players. While one person rather dismissively put it in another thread "you're not playing 30K, you're playing 40K with a FW army list", it was still that very crossplay between the two that allowed 30K to thrive in the first place. All those new 8th Edition people who basically pick any army other than marines will be relegated to simply watching others play 30K. They won't get to play because they chose the "wrong" army in the "wrong" edition.

And even if those new players in 8th chose marines, there are people who will still tell them they chose the "wrong" marines, because MkVII isn't historically accurate in 30K.



What are you on about ???

No one has taken anyone's codex from them with the cross over to 8th, if anyone wants a 30k vs 40k game all they need Is to use the codex they already own. MkVII was a heresy mark, and no one would turn down a game based on your "historically inaccurate" remark, lastly, paper , apps and all sorts of army list making tools exist, make 2, it's simple, once its malde it's made.

Sick of this sky is falling mentality.

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@Formosa that assumes people already have a codex, not a guarantee now that they are obsolete.

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 Formosa wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 SirDonlad wrote:
Wow. They do know that the upcoming rulebook is based on 7th, right?


Which is irrelevant to people who prefer to play 8th.
30K isn't going to "die" if it doesn't update to 8th, but it also isn't going to thrive, either. As new people come in to 40K and its 8th Edition rules, they will be unable to crossplay with 30K players. While one person rather dismissively put it in another thread "you're not playing 30K, you're playing 40K with a FW army list", it was still that very crossplay between the two that allowed 30K to thrive in the first place. All those new 8th Edition people who basically pick any army other than marines will be relegated to simply watching others play 30K. They won't get to play because they chose the "wrong" army in the "wrong" edition.

And even if those new players in 8th chose marines, there are people who will still tell them they chose the "wrong" marines, because MkVII isn't historically accurate in 30K.



What are you on about ???

No one has taken anyone's codex from them with the cross over to 8th, if anyone wants a 30k vs 40k game all they need Is to use the codex they already own. MkVII was a heresy mark, and no one would turn down a game based on your "historically inaccurate" remark, lastly, paper , apps and all sorts of army list making tools exist, make 2, it's simple, once its malde it's made.

Sick of this sky is falling mentality.


The thing is with this is then you're stuck playing seventh, which is not great for the 40k player and the modern marine player can't use half the codex because he'll smash an equivalent amount of HH to absolute bits. Guillamen in 40k is like 100 points cheaper than 30k guillyguy and will absolutely decimate 30k girlybro, for example (actually, pretty sure gildyboat 40k beats all of the other primarchs thabks to 40k's Dtable)

30k and 40k are seperate games now, 100%. Very few people who did play 7th but didn't play 30k are going to want to continue to play 7th and most of the people unhappy with 8th would rather just get a 30k army than have the 7th ed codex (which again, can be made literally unbeatable for any 30k army).

The people who say that 30k will die out are doomsaying. You'll probably see a contraction in the base but it won't be significant enough to warrant concern.

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 Formosa wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 SirDonlad wrote:
Wow. They do know that the upcoming rulebook is based on 7th, right?


Which is irrelevant to people who prefer to play 8th.
30K isn't going to "die" if it doesn't update to 8th, but it also isn't going to thrive, either. As new people come in to 40K and its 8th Edition rules, they will be unable to crossplay with 30K players. While one person rather dismissively put it in another thread "you're not playing 30K, you're playing 40K with a FW army list", it was still that very crossplay between the two that allowed 30K to thrive in the first place. All those new 8th Edition people who basically pick any army other than marines will be relegated to simply watching others play 30K. They won't get to play because they chose the "wrong" army in the "wrong" edition.

And even if those new players in 8th chose marines, there are people who will still tell them they chose the "wrong" marines, because MkVII isn't historically accurate in 30K.



What are you on about ???

No one has taken anyone's codex from them with the cross over to 8th, if anyone wants a 30k vs 40k game all they need Is to use the codex they already own. MkVII was a heresy mark, and no one would turn down a game based on your "historically inaccurate" remark, lastly, paper , apps and all sorts of army list making tools exist, make 2, it's simple, once its malde it's made.

Sick of this sky is falling mentality.


Did you even fething read what I wrote? I was specifically talking about new players, people new to the game, people coming into 40K through 8th Edition. In other words, people who wouldn't have a 7th Edition codex!

As for the MkVII comment, people in this very forum have stated they wouldn't play against it for that very reason.

As far as your "sky is falling mentality" comment, I'll remind you to read where I actually wrote that 30K is not going to die from not updating. I said it wouldn't thrive. Not thriving does not equal "the sky is falling".

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Im looking forward to the change in typical army composition - i'm not a fan of the 'pride of the legion' rite of war that was used so much thanks to the BaC set; in my opinion it made a mockery of the force org allocation stat.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Did you even fething read what I wrote? I was specifically talking about new players, people new to the game, people coming into 40K through 8th Edition. In other words, people who wouldn't have a 7th Edition codex!


So they have to buy one book. Compared to price of models hardly unreasonable price.

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Locally HH is as big as it ever was. Got a WHW trip planned for August for 6k a side game between Loyalists and Traitors (Whatever way you see those terms ) and I have a narrative weekend in October.

Just like most locals play 8th and HH and just play both. Infact one local has sold his 40k due to 8th to play HorusHeresy.

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Similar to what I've heard from a few bods, all anecdotal of course. And there's similar being said on Heresy30k and B&C of people shelving their armies until HH 8th. A lot of people hate 7th for various reasons.

30K will be fine in the main, but the player base may stagnate for a while. Also, I do wonder how many players actually joined 30k because of its perceived balance and now that 8th is here, will shift back over?

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 zedmeister wrote:
Also, I do wonder how many players actually joined 30k because of its perceived balance and now that 8th is here, will shift back over?


If they are hoping to find balance in the 8th they will be dissapointed.

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That seems to be the way it's going around here as well. Everyone is busy with 8th edition, playing games, reorganizing their 40k armies, and tooling up for 8th tournaments and narrative events.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Did you even fething read what I wrote? I was specifically talking about new players, people new to the game, people coming into 40K through 8th Edition. In other words, people who wouldn't have a 7th Edition codex!


So they have to buy one book. Compared to price of models hardly unreasonable price.


Actually, NO, not one book. Try to keep up, please. They will need the rulebook from Forgeworld AND they will have to find a codex on the secondary market.

But you know what? I'm so absolutely done with you people who can't be bothered to a) read what I actually wrote and b) think about what I wrote.

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Logically though, theres going to be a metric feth-ton of 7th edition codexes sat around and worth less than the price of having them disposed of!

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Eh, give it some time to die down. People that play 30K either used their 30K armies to play 40K, or they have invested a lot of money into Forge World to play 30K. They are not going to just "walk away" from 30K. If anything, we might start seeing 30K models being used in 40K a lot more... but that bad, bad IA book... ugh.

About the comment about MK VII armor in 30K... some of us do really care about that sort of thing, so yeah. I would turn down such a player. Depending on the circumstances. If it's a kid or someone that just can't afford the Forge World models, then yeah, I'd play a game. If it was a "regular" or well established player, no. The Horus Heresy is as close to historical wargaming as you are going to get in 30K/40K.

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 Tamwulf wrote:


About the comment about MK VII armor in 30K... some of us do really care about that sort of thing, so yeah. I would turn down such a player. Depending on the circumstances. If it's a kid or someone that just can't afford the Forge World models, then yeah, I'd play a game. If it was a "regular" or well established player, no. The Horus Heresy is as close to historical wargaming as you are going to get in 30K/40K.


Blood Angels and Imperial Fists would have very limited supplies of Mk VII at the Tail end of the heresy though. Mk VII can also easily stand in for Mk V armor if you mix and match it with the Mk III and IV.
   
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With how cheap the heresy marks are since the launch of Betrayal at Calth and Battle for Prospero, theres no excuse to use Mark VII in HH.

And even more now that in ebay the sales of old marines have drop like the Euro since 2008 because of the Primaris hype

(But personally I'm the kind of player that just doesn't care, but I can understand why people don't like to play with 40k marines in HH. Just like I can understand why Historical Players don't want their romans fighting undead knights, even if I have played games of Flames of War where the Nazi commander of my enemy was modeled as Red Skull from Captain America )

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
With how cheap the heresy marks are since the launch of Betrayal at Calth and Battle for Prospero, theres no excuse to use Mark VII in HH.


Not much plastic assault marines yet for HH.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Did you even fething read what I wrote? I was specifically talking about new players, people new to the game, people coming into 40K through 8th Edition. In other words, people who wouldn't have a 7th Edition codex!


So they have to buy one book. Compared to price of models hardly unreasonable price.


Actually, NO, not one book. Try to keep up, please. They will need the rulebook from Forgeworld AND they will have to find a codex on the secondary market.

But you know what? I'm so absolutely done with you people who can't be bothered to a) read what I actually wrote and b) think about what I wrote.


Well okay rulebook though frankly group needs 1 so if he's joining existing group not really if money is issue(though if he can't find like pittances it costs to get 2nd hand 7th ed rulebook which is all he needs rulebook wise plus even cheaper codex he's in wrong hobby...Forget rulebooks. He can't afford ARMY in the first place. He wouldn't be able to play 8th ed anyway because not only he needs rulebooks and codex(more pricey there actually) AND army neither he could afford!).

It's going to be cheaper to start non-marine army to 30k than it would be for 8th ed.

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 SirDonlad wrote:
Logically though, theres going to be a metric feth-ton of 7th edition codexes sat around and worth less than the price of having them disposed of!


Which again, just creates a situation where neither player has any fun...unless you give the HH player like an extra 200-4000pts depending on which codex you're using.


Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

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ERJAK wrote:
 SirDonlad wrote:
Logically though, theres going to be a metric feth-ton of 7th edition codexes sat around and worth less than the price of having them disposed of!


Which again, just creates a situation where neither player has any fun...unless you give the HH player like an extra 200-4000pts depending on which codex you're using.


Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.


By extra codexes being lying around?-)

And you are kidding yourself if you think 8th ed won't require one codex receive more points than others to be about equal.

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