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Hey guys, heres something I thought about:

Maugan Ra's weapon, the Maugetar has two profiles. One of which says: If an Infantry model is slain by an attack made with this weapon, it's unit suffers D3 mortal wounds. The other profile is exactly the same Strenght, AP and Damage, but shoots 4 times instead of once. So now, if the Mortalwounds kill additional models, that would also count as "Infantry model slain by an attack made with this weapon" because it's part of the weapons effect. But then, one wound would wipe out an entire 1w Infantrysquad, except if the enemy puts that first damage on a Leader with 2w.

On the other hand, if it doesn't work this way, why would you ever pick the profile instead of the one with 4 shots? You'll always get a worse result. Rolling for 1 hit/wound/save that kills 3 models on average 4 at best, and 2 at worst. seems to be always worse then rolling for 4 hit/wound/saves to kill 4 models.

perhaps the model has a better invulnerable save and you are hoping for luck on high output vs a more consistent result

Wes

The first profile causes 1 wound and, if successful, causes D3 more Mortal Wounds on an Infantry Unit. The second profile simply shoots 4 times. As for "why" it was done that way, it gives the weapon more flexibility. I can shoot a unit of terminators and give them 4 saves, potentially. Or I could shoot once and kill one, then kill up to three more for free. Also, if Maugan Ra is shooting at anything but an Infantry Unit, it is obvious the the second profile is better.

Also, if you want to go by strict RAW, the special rule on Shrieker says that if a model is slain by the "weapon" and not the "profile", that the unit should suffer D3 Mortal Wounds. Technically, any profile should cause the extra damage, but we all know what is meant by the profile separation, don't we?

You would use the 1st profile against cannon fodder with little to no saves in order to get more bang for your buck. the 2nd you would use against things with better saves in hopes to get some through. but the 4 shot option does not carry the special rule.

Or you could do the all or nothing and just use the first option with the -1 you have a 50/50 chance to down a SM. (and he shoots 2 times so a chance to kill up to 8)

Oh, I understand that the Ability doesn't work if you use the second profile.

But the question remains: Does a model slain by the D3 mortal wound count as "slain by an attack made with the Maugetar".?


Edited because I was stupid for a second

No. Its clear they are separating the mortal wounds from the attack with the weapon.

Lichtbringer wrote:


But the question remains: Does a model slain by the D3 mortal wound count as "slain by an attack made with the Maugetar".?

I'm not sure why this is a question? You won't get further D3 mortal wounds, if that's what you're asking. Besides, the special rule of Shrieker is not "an attack made with the Maugetar." The attack was an attack. The result was a special rule.

Yep, shreiker is always worse. They're either bad at math or it's designed to be useless. And since we know craftworld was designed to be bad, we probably have the answer.