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So this is what I've been running Abaddon with to maximize his points value, I'd love to see if anyone can help me come up with alternatives to this list I have. Everyone but Abaddon is replaceable, as the name of the thread would suggest. What I usually do is make a screen of cultists to protect my backline Pred or Abby if I deploy him normally, then assault with termies and the chosen in rhinos. Land Raider there is used if I deploy the termies regularly. The idea is to make a mobile screen around Abaddon until he can get into CC to delete anything that isn't a Knight.


+++ Black Legion (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [109 PL, 1993pts] +++

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [90 PL, 1691pts] ++

+ HQ +

Abaddon the Despoiler [13 PL, 253pts]

+ Elites +

Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 316pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Chaos Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power fist
. Chaos Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power fist
. Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist
. Chaos Terminator: Chainfist, Heavy flamer
. Terminator Champion: Combi-melta, Power fist

Chosen [13 PL, 210pts]: 9x Chosen, Combi-plasma, Heavy bolter, No Chaos Mark, Plasma gun
. Chosen Champion: Boltgun, Combi-plasma

Chosen [13 PL, 210pts]: 9x Chosen, Combi-plasma, Heavy bolter, No Chaos Mark, Plasma gun
. Chosen Champion: Boltgun, Combi-plasma

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Land Raider [19 PL, 356pts]: Twin heavy bolter, 2x Twin lascannon

Chaos Predator [10 PL, 202pts]: Twin lascannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 72pts]: Combi-bolter

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 72pts]: Combi-bolter

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [19 PL, 302pts] ++

+ HQ +

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 76pts]: Bolt pistol, Power maul

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 76pts]: Bolt pistol, Power maul

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

This looks very impressive! The only weakness I can see is Flyers, or Super Heavies. Both could make a lot of trouble for you can you use Deep strike? if so, maybe that will be enough.

How will you do against dark eldar raider lists or a similarly common mechanized list

I believe I can substitute my 2x Chosen for 2x Havocs with Melta or Las if the meta starts shifting towards mechanized lists. Just a disclaimer, I play in a very small community, so insofar as DEldar raider lists, I only have one possible opponent to worry about

So from 2000 points, our local shop decided to shift to 1850 standard for tournaments. These are the lists I came up with.

Baledrake - Terminator 1850

Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [61 PL, 1198pts]
HQ
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 83pts] Plasma pistol, Power maul
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 83pts] Plasma pistol, Power maul

Troops
Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 54pts]
9x Chaos Cultist, Heavy stubber, Cultist Champion, Autogun
Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 54pts]
9x Chaos Cultist, Heavy stubber, Cultist Champion, Autogun
Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 54pts]
9x Chaos Cultist, Heavy stubber, Cultist Champion, Autogun

Elites
Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 255pts]
No Chaos Mark
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Terminator Champion
Combi-plasma, Power axe

Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 360pts]
No Chaos Mark
Chaos Terminator
Chainfist, Combi-melta
Chaos Terminator
Chainfist, Combi-melta
Chaos Terminator
Chainfist, Combi-melta
Chaos Terminator
Chainfist, Combi-melta
Terminator Champion
Chainfist, Combi-melta

Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 255pts]
No Chaos Mark
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Chaos Terminator
Combi-plasma, Power axe
Terminator Champion
Combi-plasma, Power axe

Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [30 PL, 645pts]

Flyer
Heldrake [10 PL, 215pts]
Baleflamer, Heldrake claws
Heldrake [10 PL, 215pts]
Baleflamer, Heldrake claws
Heldrake [10 PL, 215pts]
Baleflamer, Heldrake claws

Total: 1843
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Abaddon - Chosen 1850

Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [85 PL, 1548pts]

HQ
Abaddon the Despoiler [13 PL, 253pts]

Elites
Chosen [8 PL, 117pts]
Autocannon, 4x Chosen, Combi-plasma, No Chaos Mark, Chosen Champion, Boltgun, Power axe
Chosen [8 PL, 117pts
]Autocannon, 4x Chosen, Combi-plasma, No Chaos Mark, Chosen Champion, Boltgun, Power axe
Chosen [8 PL, 117pts]
Autocannon, 4x Chosen, Combi-plasma, No Chaos Mark, Chosen Champion, Boltgun, Power axe
Chosen [8 PL, 123pts]
4x Chosen, Lascannon, Meltagun, No Chaos Mark, Chosen Champion,Boltgun, Power sword
Chosen [8 PL, 123pts]
4x Chosen, Lascannon, Meltagun, No Chaos Mark, Chosen Champion, Boltgun, Power sword

Heavy Support
Chaos Predator [10 PL, 202pts]
Twin lascannon Two lascannons 2x Lascannon
Chaos Predator [10 PL, 202pts]
Twin lascannon Two lascannons 2x Lascannon

Dedicated Transport
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 98pts]
Combi-bolter, Combi-plasma, Havoc launcher
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 98pts]
Combi-bolter, Combi-plasma, Havoc launcher
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 98pts]
Combi-bolter, Combi-plasma, Havoc launcher

Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [19 PL, 302pts]

HQ
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 76pts]
Bolt pistol, Power maul
Dark Apostle [5 PL, 76pts]
Bolt pistol, Power maul

Troops
Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]
9x Chaos Cultist
Cultist Champion
Autogun
Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]
9x Chaos Cultist
Cultist Champion
Autogun
Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]
9x Chaos Cultist
Cultist Champion
Autogun

Total: 1850

Never take cultists (so easily outperformed). Brimstones will be a far better bubblewrap and objective camper. 2 pts for 4+ invuln is crazy good. Ditch the cultists and you can have 75 or 81 for the top list. Unless you're trying to run a pure astartes list? Probably not best for a competitive tournament.

I'll test the Brimstones before investing in them I suppose, are Poxwalkers viable as well? I'm working with the models I have atm and mixing Poxwalkers instead of Cultists is what I can do right now.