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I've heard people claiming that the Darkshroud modifier to hit is cumulative. Are people playing it that way? How useful practically would it be to have four of them, to make a DA army immune to shooting; would it be worth the points?

Samii wrote:
I've heard people claiming that the Darkshroud modifier to hit is cumulative. Are people playing it that way? How useful practically would it be to have four of them, to make a DA army immune to shooting; would it be worth the points?

Considering that is what the rule says, I don't see why people wouldn't be playing it this way?

The rule doesn't say it's cumulative. It also doesn't restrict it to "any model with this rule".

Currently RAW it would stack under the modifiers rule.

No major tournament will rule that it stacks.

Same named effects only stack if they say they do.

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
Same named effects only stack if they say they do.

What page of the rules is this on?

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
Same named effects only stack if they say they do.

[Citation Needed] please. Compare the Darkshroud rule with that of Dok's Tools. Darkshroud only cares about that individual model. Dok's tools state it works only within the range of ANY painboy. Likewise for Company Ancients's Banner.

It will be FAQed to say such. Now whether Dark Shroud is supposed to stack, I have no idea, just that the FAQ will clarify that only same named abilities that specifically say they can stack will.

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
It will be FAQed to say such. Now whether Dark Shroud is supposed to stack, I have no idea, just that the FAQ will clarify that only same named abilities that specifically say they can stack will.

How do you know that? In Age of Sigmar, to which 8th Edition 40k draws many parallels, all abilities stack unless they specifically say they DO NOT. See Fortune in Index: Xenos 1 for an example.

If anything, I'd say their pattern of rules writing lately would lean more toward being FAQ'ed the other way.

AoS will be changed too with the new handbook. Right now, there is nothing say it's illegal, but I know ITC is ruling they don't stack as well.

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
AoS will be changed too with the new handbook. Right now, there is nothing say it's illegal, but I know ITC is ruling they don't stack as well.

And Greg from behind the CVS says that Conscripts are toughness 23 and all dice must be blue. He has the same level of authority as the ITC.

The rules unambiguously say they stack, if you don't play that way you are cheating, plain and simple.

Greg is a good guy.

The rules for modifiers say modifiers stack, the rule for darkshroud doesn't unambiguously say it stacks with other darkshrouds, it only stacks in the current RAW because of the modifiers rule taking precedence because the dark shroud rule doesn't address if it stacks or not so it defaults to the general rules for modifiers.

I will bet money it will be faqed to not stack. Not an errata but a faq.

Due to the interactions with how the specific rule for darkshrouds works and the basic rule for modifiers right now RAW it stacks. If anyone wants to waste money buying and painting 4 of them to say their army is immune to shooting they should expect that the likely hood of it remaining that way is very low and accept they are probably paying for some extra darkshrouds models they won't be using in a few months.

New Faq is New:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/02/warhammer-40000-faq-now-available-july2gw-homepage-post-1/

Q. Lots of aura abilities say they grant an ability to nearby
units that are within range of any such models. Are the bonuses
cumulative (i.e. if I am within range of two models with
identical aura abilities, is the bonus doubled)?
A. Unless stated otherwise, no. The bonus for such an
ability applies once if any (i.e. one or more) of these
models are within range.

Page 122 – Ravenwing Darkshroud, Icon of Old Caliban
Change this to read:
‘Icon of Old Caliban: Your opponent must subtract 1
from any hit rolls they make for shooting attacks that
target friendly Dark Angels units within 6" of any
friendly Ravenwing Darkshrouds.

There you have it. At least it's clarified now. Still, they had to change wording of the rule of the Icon of Caliban for it not to stack.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
AoS will be changed too with the new handbook. Right now, there is nothing say it's illegal, but I know ITC is ruling they don't stack as well.

And Greg from behind the CVS says that Conscripts are toughness 23 and all dice must be blue. He has the same level of authority as the ITC.

The rules unambiguously say they stack, if you don't play that way you are cheating, plain and simple.

I merely stated it would be clairified, not that it had been. Maybe don't doubt every Greg you meet :p