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Hey people,
I'm kind of new to the hobby (2 years in)
So just a month before any of the new 8th edition release stuff was anounced, i actually spent the money i had been saving for a second army and bought an entire space marine, salamanders army.
I didn't want to go mk8 so i went mk3 but for 40k. I also bought 3 razzorbacks 3 drop pods contemptor dreadnought, 10 terminators and salamanders shoulder pads and tabards for all the marines. so its safe to say that i've spent about 500$ on this army wich i have fully assembled, magnetized and with 2-3 units already painted.
I mean i was extremely hyped to collect build and paint my salamanders.
But then primaris marines became a thing and left me torn wether i should try to sell this army, before i put in even more effort and painting, but what money would that get me back? i get that primaris dont replace marines but in a year or so they're definitely going to. i mean who is even going to want to buy old marines from now on?
i also dont exactly have the money to start the army while keeping this one and if i manage to save some, i'd rather build a new army not spend it on another primaris company of the salamanders or what not.
any opinions? have you had similar situations in the past or even now with the new marines? pls give me your oppinion cause i dont want to waste the effort painting models that arent going to be used much.

All this fearmongering over normal Space Marines going away needs to stop.

Keep your Space Marines, if that's what you want. This shouldn't be so much a question for other people, as it is a question for yourself.
If you enjoy your Space Marine models, like painting them, and like how they play on the table in this edition still, then yeah, keep them.
Myself personally, I'm looking to sell off the small Space Marine force I've got, because I've become bored with it.

And in my limited experience of selling used, painted models, I got 25% of their MSRP from the FLGS I sold them to.
If they're nicely painted you can likely make back their cost by selling them on eBay for above MSRP, or very close to it.

Neither is better than the otherI don't think. Definitely keep both.

I did similar. Freaked out a bit but then realised I don't actually *like* the Primaris models, so I'm just cracking on with my old school Crimmy Fists. But do what you think you're going to enjoy. No point spending all that time on hobby gak if you're not feeling it.

primaris are not in SW:A so if you are playing both, keep your marines for sure.

 thekingofkings wrote:
primaris are not in SW:A so if you are playing both, keep your marines for sure.

Actually the best use for Primaris Marines is to use them in Skirmish games as normal marines. Is much more epic to have them fighting chaos cultistas and genestealers than normal squatting marines,.

deathclip wrote:
i get that primaris dont replace marines but in a year or so they're definitely going to. i mean who is even going to want to buy old marines from now on?

There is no evidence for this whatsoever, and makes no financial sense for GW to do it either.


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 Galas wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
primaris are not in SW:A so if you are playing both, keep your marines for sure.

Actually the best use for Primaris Marines is to use them in Skirmish games as normal marines. Is much more epic to have them fighting chaos cultistas and genestealers than normal squatting marines,.

8th Edition Kill Team games would be epic af with that.

Keep but expand. Easy. Don't bother with primaries they're ripping your ass off.

I would not replace your army for Primarus, the reports recieved so far are showing that Primarus only armies are not good.

 mrhappyface wrote:
I would not replace your army for Primarus, the reports recieved so far are showing that Primarus only armies are not good.

yeah I don't think GW intends for Primaris only armies to be a compeitive thing, maybe one day, but it seems to be they are deliberatly trying to ensure old marine standbys have a place. if you like Primairs buy both and run a mixed force.

BrianDavion wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I would not replace your army for Primarus, the reports recieved so far are showing that Primarus only armies are not good.

yeah I don't think GW intends for Primaris only armies to be a compeitive thing, maybe one day, but it seems to be they are deliberatly trying to ensure old marine standbys have a place. if you like Primairs buy both and run a mixed force.

Maybe they'll get better with more units seeing as though, at the moment, they only have what? 5 units? Not really much to build an army around.

Mostly I'm using Primaris Marines to show unit leaders, looks a bit odd since they're bigger than the nearby terminators but it makes things easier to keep track of.

 mrhappyface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I would not replace your army for Primarus, the reports recieved so far are showing that Primarus only armies are not good.

yeah I don't think GW intends for Primaris only armies to be a compeitive thing, maybe one day, but it seems to be they are deliberatly trying to ensure old marine standbys have a place. if you like Primairs buy both and run a mixed force.

Maybe they'll get better with more units seeing as though, at the moment, they only have what? 5 units? Not really much to build an army around.

I dunno, we'll have to see, assuming the rumors all pan out we've got a fairly decent idea on the inital Primaris army, and there are definatly a few holes that standard marines will be able to fill nicely. but once complete I think the range'll be a solid one. it sounds like they'll be a little light on vehicles, but that's something that old marine stuff can be repurposed fairly easily. a predator or vindicator tank aren't going to seem out of place among Primaris Marines

 Selym wrote:

deathclip wrote:
i get that primaris dont replace marines but in a year or so they're definitely going to. i mean who is even going to want to buy old marines from now on?

There is no evidence for this whatsoever, and makes no financial sense for GW to do it either..

As someone who has just come back to the hobby after more than a decade away, I'm loving the "new" chapter specific marine models. Looking forward to loading out my Blood Angels with some snazzy specially sculpted squads!

wow guys thanks for the replies. I think i needed that kind of reasurance. i mean marines may be eventually phased out but not yet for sure. and if it comes to that 30k is also a great game i hear
i think ill get down to the actual painting and probably make another primaris chapter or company in the future when everything primaris related becomes available.

 Galas wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
primaris are not in SW:A so if you are playing both, keep your marines for sure.

Actually the best use for Primaris Marines is to use them in Skirmish games as normal marines. Is much more epic to have them fighting chaos cultistas and genestealers than normal squatting marines,.

I think they are "off" for shadow war, they may be more "true scale" but definately are not a good fit as they are too tall, and in a game of literal line of site, would want to avoid them. they are just off scale to the rest.

Sell them now before GW squats them and makes them unsellable.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Sell them now before GW squats them and makes them unsellable.

see its posts like this that makes everyone think you are a troll

 CrownAxe wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Sell them now before GW squats them and makes them unsellable.

see its posts like this that makes everyone think you are a troll

I'm being 100% serious. To quote Konrad Curze, "Death is nothing compared to vindication."

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Sell them now before GW squats them and makes them unsellable.

see its posts like this that makes everyone think you are a troll

I'm being 100% serious. To quote Konrad Curze, "Death is nothing compared to vindication."

Odds are you'll be dying unvindicated. The unpopularity of an opinion that you hold does not make it any more likely.

As much as I hate to see anyone's army become invalidated, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little entertained by all the hysteria. After listening to Marine fanboys go on for years about how my army should be Squatted because it "doesn't belong" in 40k anyway or for whatever other nonsense reasons, to see my army continue to get regular support (including the first-ever plastic xenos terrain which everyone just assumed would be either Ork or Eldar stuff, if it happened at all) while they're all freaking out now about Marines of all things being replaced? It tickles me.

Of course it's bullgak and GW isn't going to Squat Marines. It would literally be the stupidest thing they've ever done, Marines are simply too big and too important to GW's survival to gamble with like that. And while I have no doubt in my mind there are people out there who would just shrug it off and buy tens of thousands of points worth of Primaris Marines instead, happily, and some that I know for a fact have been planning on doing that anyway as soon as they saw them, the majority of Marine players aren't huge superfans like that and aren't going to be very pleased at all, to say the least.

I wouldn't worry about Marines going anywhere, especially if Primaris don't end up being the big hit GW is probably hoping they'll be. Best way to ensure Marines continue to stick around though, if you are worried about it, is by refusing to buy the new hotness and continuing to support the old lines only. Prove to them that there's still money to be made and that putting all their eggs in the Primaris basket would be a mistake.

It is pretty unprofitable to sell your marine army right now, too many marine players sells their outdated army. You will get back only small portion of their initial cost.

And you can be sure, that your salamanders will not be squatted. GW keeps rules even for canceled armies like Tomb Kings. But dwarf marines will be "legacy" army, so do not expect any plastic update. And mix primaris and tinimarines in one army is bad idea, they looks awfull next to each other.

Keep what you have, you talked about expanding the army - you can add Primaris to the marines you have. After all, they both share the Imperial, Adeptes Astares and <Chapter> faction keywords.

Most likely over time, you will end up with two armies simply by adding on to what you have existing.

Best of both worlds.

IMO Primaris could be good ally for other imperials if you are not using space marines. Then they could be true-scale super soldiers like should be. But if you want space marines army use old models. Even if primaris will get transports, tanks etc they will be small elite army (maybe like deathwing or grey knights now)

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
primaris are not in SW:A so if you are playing both, keep your marines for sure.

Actually the best use for Primaris Marines is to use them in Skirmish games as normal marines. Is much more epic to have them fighting chaos cultistas and genestealers than normal squatting marines,.

I think they are "off" for shadow war, they may be more "true scale" but definately are not a good fit as they are too tall, and in a game of literal line of site, would want to avoid them. they are just off scale to the rest.

Dunno. They work quite well for Inq28, though!

see my issue here is... primaris marines are not even very good.

I have 40 intercesors, 20 hellblasters, 4 captains in ravis, 4 ancients with banner, 8 LT, and 12 interceptors... they are ok on the table but honestly the versatility of normal space marines with special and heavy weapons options are better.

I am having fun with the simplicity of playing them in small games but overall they just are not very good right now. I don't see primaris taking any tournaments beyond maybe the captains in gravis finding a place for T5

as for what to keep keep what you want to play. I like the look of primaris so bought 4 box sets worth, I will keep buying and painting them because the models look good but I do not forsee GW replaceing all marines with them.

now one real advantage of primaris is I have a portable army that stays in a lunchbox in my car that means I have a portable 1500 point army with just a relative handful of models

 G00fySmiley wrote:
see my issue here is... primaris marines are not even very good.

I have 40 intercesors, 20 hellblasters, 4 captains in ravis, 4 ancients with banner, 8 LT, and 12 interceptors... they are ok on the table but honestly the versatility of normal space marines with special and heavy weapons options are better.

I am having fun with the simplicity of playing them in small games but overall they just are not very good right now. I don't see primaris taking any tournaments beyond maybe the captains in gravis finding a place for T5

as for what to keep keep what you want to play. I like the look of primaris so bought 4 box sets worth, I will keep buying and painting them because the models look good but I do not forsee GW replaceing all marines with them.

now one real advantage of primaris is I have a portable army that stays in a lunchbox in my car that means I have a portable 1500 point army with just a relative handful of models

Because GW intentionally made them crap so people can't complain, but made the models far superior to the current however many decades old style of regular marines. This was to stop a player backlash and to encourage people to buy Primaris anyway. Once enough have been entrenched, they can simply switch off the oldmarines rules and models and suffer a far gentler fan backlash.

I just rejoined the hobby after a 7 year break, and bought the Dark Imperium box. I also picked up another 4 boxes of normal marines, and will use them together. Time will tell if I add more primaris marines or not, but there's no reason to stop collecting vanilla marines, and its been pointed out, regular marines have more adaptability, and are overall better.

Based on how GW has operated in the past, I expect Primaris Marines to be their main focus from here on in regards to Marines. I don't expect Space Marines to get completely phased out, but I do see them getting left behind. They'll still get updates, but I seem them ending up more like Sisters of Battle (Tomb Kings, Brettonia, Inquisition, just to name a few others). Let's be honest, GW has a habit of leaving things behind in favor of new shiny things.

As time goes on, more and more Marine players will drop their armies in favor of Primaris armies, which means more and more units on Ebay, which means lower values. I plan on slowly phasing out my current Marines in favor of the new ones. Mostly because I like the sleeker look to them.

Something tells me that people dont really know about GW's Track Record.
They use rules to drive sales. ...and its all in the mind of the consumer. Its not GW's fault people are so susceptible to a simple name change. Lol.

To me, the new primaris marines are just truescale marines so you can use your old ones as them for rules purposes. And if the rules for old marines and primaris marines have a huge power gap - then the game is unbalanced and I won't want to play.


Yes the old marines will fade away. Why? Because if the secondary market. It cripples GW's long term sales. After 1 year you see the newly released models up for resale by people.

GW just recently changed their sale tactics to combat this, they are still tweaking the formula, AoS was their testing ground.