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so i came up with this list for a 50PL mini tournament..

It as a squeeze to get in what i wanted i am mainly going for a more fun, get stuck in and have go list.
not had much practice so forgive glaring errors, im just wanting to play a game and get in killing stuff.

captain Relic blade, sheild .. (Tanky jump captain)
Vanguard, 16pl, jump packs, hammers, sheild, relic blade sheild SGT (10 an unit, mixed arms) (least 4--5 sheilds, some claws,maybe a axe n sheild. tooled heavy duty)

Tac sqaud + Rhino ( Not sure on loadout but a heavy + special, .... input on SGT welcome. Rhino rocking a HK as its basically free on PL SYSTEM)

Scout Snipers, x5 with ML


contemp, (assullt cannon + fist) , + IMP space Marine (adds on to tac) OR tri las. . (Total . 50PL) (Or is im not sure whch way, leaning more to pred right now)

PL have been deleted so list may look odd as i had to remove chunks for dakka.

Main idea is vanguard go in early and aim to disrupt opposing strategy, go in for the big kill, like HQ, big PL targets.

Snipers form up in ruin, high if can, disruption, ML for causingg trouble. cheap and aim to sitract more than worth in firepower.

Pread and tac form a more solid centre and storm forward to take middle ground, draw fire and take objectives hopefully.

its not smart, fancy or super tactical but main aim is to get in there and just get stuck into a fight.

In my honest opinion I don't actually dig this list, sorry.

my reasoning is as follows, feel free to discard at will. only opinions.

-1, tanky jump captain isn't nearly as tanky as youre expecting him to be. with a mere 50pl to work with (loosely 1k pts) I feel a cheaper HQ such as primaris lietenant would be better, buffing the tacticals.

-2, I'd lose the rhino. not a fan of marines having rides at this point level. save the points and buy more infantry? -I may be biased, spaming tactical squads is pretty much my recipe for success in 8th thus far.

-3, as with rhino, drop in favour of either infantry or put points towards the Contemptor? I'd be focusing on getting the Contemptor and tri-las boardside alongside one another instead of picking and choosing between potentially your 2 strongest units. Scouts in my experience feel squishier than in 7th. YMMV.

-4, make the vanguard smaller, and equip heavily. power level doesn't restrict you as points would, so max out on shields for durability. Add claws over power weapons to maximise the conversion rate of hits<wounds over standard power weapons. maybe hide a thunder hammer or 2 in there. not fist as concussive may help against big targets.


of course these are merely my musings, discard at your own discretion, list as is doesn't look bad. merely looks more heavily optimisable.
yours,
GamerGuy. >

Well dropping. Rhino, imp SM and scout I free up some... 11-12.
Vanguard, ... Well I got my comtemptor in.. Straight swap.

However. Keep, Imp, (I wanna use it for fun and damn the cost)

Second tactical . Leaves me ... At 50-51.
So might have to swap the captain for aback line buffer to do it.

So
Captain/jump captain. (heavy load out, CC, or combo bolter and Relic)

Vanguard drop down to a distraction assult maybe still, or go further back as mobile reserve.

Tac sqauds X2. One probbly plasma with a missile or Las cannon, combi sgt. (or bring put my ludicrously armed fist and claw for lols. )
One maybe more close assult orientated. Flamer, CC SGT as no points costs
(should be able to get my imp marine in too with a nudge)

Contemtor. Assualt cannon. P fist. Gramps dread chills with tacs.
Pred uses 12 imch run range to act as a .. Well beam shooting and moving to get sight lines.

More like that. Less risky than the above.
However I part of me likes rule of cool of 11 assault troops storming there lines turn 2.