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Which Legion/chapter/warband do you think most closely adheres to the word and intent of the Emperor in the current timeframe?

My thoughts: ultramarines are right out with the recent fluff. Maybe the White Scars? What are the Salamanders doing these days? Night Lords are still doing what he sanctioned them to do i.e.: murder people ruthlessly.

why are Ultramarines right out? most of the recent changes has seen them move closer to the heresy formations then anything.

none of the chapters are partiuclarly close to what they where before, it's honstly kinda the point of the codex Astartes.

That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

BrianDavion wrote:


That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

those without codex organization , giant wolves and mutants amongst them? Shure, not heresy at all.

I'd say alpha legion. they simply lost access to many warmachines, but their behaviour is the (almost) the same since the beginning. Even tough in 40k they lost their tracks they still behave like they have a purpose.

 Neferhet wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

those without codex organization , giant wolves and mutants amongst them? Shure, not heresy at all.

I'd say alpha legion. they simply lost access to many warmachines, but their behaviour is the (almost) the same since the beginning. Even tough in 40k they lost their tracks they still behave like they have a purpose.

the giant mutants and wolves where always a thing though

 Neferhet wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

those without codex organization , giant wolves and mutants amongst them? Shure, not heresy at all.

I'd say alpha legion. they simply lost access to many warmachines, but their behaviour is the (almost) the same since the beginning. Even tough in 40k they lost their tracks they still behave like they have a purpose.

Yeah, if only their lord had not gone against everything the new lord wants and utilizes. I would venture, guilliman listened, balked, and then did exactly what he did not want or say he would do, because it was his only option.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Neferhet wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

those without codex organization , giant wolves and mutants amongst them? Shure, not heresy at all.

I'd say alpha legion. they simply lost access to many warmachines, but their behaviour is the (almost) the same since the beginning. Even tough in 40k they lost their tracks they still behave like they have a purpose.

the giant mutants and wolves where always a thing though

Supposedly not so much- rather they are the post heresy curse Magnus dropped on the Wolves as vengence for sacking prospero. Or at least it was only after Prospero that these started showing up. (This is in one of the you tube recorded horus heresy seminars given by the late, greay Alan Bligh :(

The problem is post prospero is 35.000+ years. That is a lot t a f time t get a bit screwed up.
I've only existed forever are forty yraes and I put weird symbols in between my words,.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Neferhet wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

those without codex organization , giant wolves and mutants amongst them? Shure, not heresy at all.

I'd say alpha legion. they simply lost access to many warmachines, but their behaviour is the (almost) the same since the beginning. Even tough in 40k they lost their tracks they still behave like they have a purpose.

the giant mutants and wolves where always a thing though

Supposedly not so much- rather they are the post heresy curse Magnus dropped on the Wolves as vengence for sacking prospero. Or at least it was only after Prospero that these started showing up. (This is in one of the you tube recorded horus heresy seminars given by the late, greay Alan Bligh :(

which is contridicted in some of the novels.

Alan was the single architect of so much of the “factual accounting” of the heresy (because thats how he wanted the Forgeworld heresy books to be- historical accounts, not novels) that I accept his word, and the word of the Forgeworld books as gospel above all others.

Particularly since they have the benefit of hindsight, and picking and choosing the fluff they want to keep.

I'd say the Alpha Legion are the most unchanged.

 TapedTempest wrote:
I'd say the Alpha Legion are the most unchanged.

yeah in 30k e know jack gak about them, and in 40k we know jack gak about them

DARK ANGELS ARE STILL A LEGION

I would say, mostly it is alpha legion, world eaters being second-bested. My reason is while their intent has changed, they still are doing exactly what the legion were supposed to do- ruthlessly slaughter anything and everything, being at the forefront of every campaign and skirmish, and having berzerk fighters who were lethal in combat. They were always affected by chaos, simply because of their style.

 Neferhet wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


That said, I'd be incliend to say the Space Wolves

those without codex organization , giant wolves and mutants amongst them? Shure, not heresy at all.

I'd say alpha legion. they simply lost access to many warmachines, but their behaviour is the (almost) the same since the beginning. Even tough in 40k they lost their tracks they still behave like they have a purpose.

Big E had nothing to do with the Codex, the mutations were the Emperor's own design and Russ had big wolves before the Emperor met him, when the Emperor met him and after the Emperor wound up on the throne. To put the Wolves out of the running try using proper differences.

Pre-Heresy Crusade era Space Wolves.
During the Crusade the Space Wolves' job was not to 'Free' planets and systems like other legions it was to live up to Russ' title of "The Executioner" and brutalise communities that refused to accept the Emperor as their Lord in such a fashion that news of the beatdown spread to other systems as the stuff of nightmares.
People heard about the brutality of the Space Wolves by the time the Emperor arrived and when he did they were given the option of being accepted into the Imperium at the hands of monsters like Russ and the Space Wolves or at the hands of clean cut primarchs like Horus or Ferrus Manus.
Pre-Heresy Space Wolves were designed and inclined for overkill.

Grimnar era Space Wolves.
Heroes.
Nanny-state meddlers who spend their time getting between the Inquisition and righteous purgings, popping into battles that have nothing to do with them and the rest of it getting loudly wasted, one of the few activities they actually share with Russ era Space Wolves.

I'd put my money on Alpha Legion or Raven Guard.

Have iron warriors really changed much about how they array themselves in battle, how they fight? Seems to be the same forces and mindset.

Ditto Word Bearers. Once they started using fanatical cultists, possessed marines, and summoning daemons, they have pretty much stuck to it. And they started doing that in the heresy.