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I'm returning to 40k with Genestealer Cult. I've plan to build using RT era classic minis, Space Hulk GS and fill in current items as needed.

Most of the classic minis came with 25mm bases, incorrect bases (Space Hulk), or no base at all.

Making those minis fit the current edition, are these the correct base sizes?

Genestealer Patriarch on throne- 40mm

Genestealer Patriarch- Space Hulk Broodlord- 40mm

Genestealer Purestrain- Space Hulk and older editions 25mm or 35mm?

Acolyte Hybrid- 35mm

Neophyte Hybrid- 25mm

Neophyte Hybrid with heavy weapon- 35mm.

Brood brother IG- 25mm

Brood Brother weapon teams- HW base... Is the heavy weapon base mandatory for all heavy weapons, or just weapons with tripods? For example if I used a tripod Auto cannon, HW base. Old shoulder fired AC on 25mm and loader on 25mm ok?

Rough Riders- The giant white horsies from the RT days have a rectangle slotta base. Is this base ok to use?

Thanks for the help.

Genestealers are on 25mm bases.

Yes, all heavy weapon teams need to be on the big base - 2 models on 25mm bases hasn't been a thing for many editions.

Rough Riders - we have no current model so hard to say. They used to come on the WHFB cavalry base. Dkok death riders have come with 40mm and with bike bases in the past. I'd say go with bike bases - that's probably what new rough riders would come with but cavalry bases are fine.

Where you've put 35mm - they're 32mm.

I'll dig out my Overkill box and check the GSC bits for you.

Ruleswise the rulebook says nothing about base sizes. This has been a bugbear of mine for ages. Why they can't just add a "Base Size:" statistic to the datasheet is beyond me.

GW base size policy these days is 'whatever makes it look good'.

If that doesn't do it for you, find the unit on the webstore, and it will usually tell you what base sizes come in the box, though even that is not the final word as some have been getting updated as they get reboxed - a lot of stuff has moved to the newer 32mm base.

Genestealers you can do either 32mm or 25mm; boxed ones come with 25mm, the deathwatch overkill purestrains are on 32mm. Personally I think the 32mm makes more sense, less wobbly from the overhang!

The store Broodlord is on a 75mm oval, the deathwatch overkill patriarch is on a 50mm round.

The rest you have listed are right I think (with 35mm = 32mm). You can leave the rough riders on the old cavalry base, or use the lozenge bike bases which would probably look nicer.

All AM heavy weapon teams these days come on 2-man 60mm bases.

Here's a link for the deathwatch overkill base sizes.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/deathwatch-overkill-week-day-3-genestealer-cult-minis.html

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, all heavy weapon teams need to be on the big base - 2 models on 25mm bases hasn't been a thing for many editions.

And then we look at this image, where there clearly is a missile launcher trooper on his own 25mm base, with the loader carrying nothing but large missiles is never far behind, also on his own 25mm base (left hand side, about half way up)...



Also look at pages 70 and 86 from the most recent Astra Militarum Codex, which is, like, the previous edition. The image below is (a copy of) from one of those pages:



So, in he previous edition, being 7th edition, 2 models on 25mm bases has been a thing, as presented by Games Workshop themselves, with their newly painted Cadian regiment, especially made for the new codex at that time.

And yes, I know. "You should base the models on the bases that were provided with them!". I custom ordered Kilt legs from one company, heads with funny scottish hats from another, and filled the rest in with spare bits from various bits sites. I was never provided with any bases anyways. "You should look at models of a similar type!" And so I did. A heavy weapons team is a normal sized Astra Militarum infantry model. So is a Commisar, or a Platoon Commander. Or an Infantry Squad Sergeant. And yes, that applies to the Primary Psyker as well. All of them on 25mm bases. And I added "normal sized" just so I don't have to put both troopers from the heavy weapons team on a 40mm base each, as Ogryns are Astra Militarum Infantry type models as well, and they always tended to get 40mm bases.
"But the rules say..." What rules? That stuff about bases was just a bunch of guidelines. Never more, never less. GW clearly set their own examples with the images shown. To shut up the truly pedantic TFG's, I made a couple of 60mm bases with little sand bags, and two 26mm indentures to put the separate models of the heavy weapons team in. Could even remove one of them (the loader) as a 'Wound Marker' of some sorts.

Bottomline? Do whatever you like, within reason (even I think it would look silly to put that lone gretchin model on an Imperial Knight oval base). In this new edition, blast markers and flamer templates are gone anyways, so a heavy weapons team doesn't have to take up the same space as a dreadnought anymore, just to make it easier to hit them with something, and we are back to having the owning player deciding where the wounds are taken.

I have seen Rhino APC models on rectangle bases just slightly sticking out from under the model, and opponents throwing a fit about that. Get a freaking life! We're talking about assembled and painted toy soldiers and tanks which are just elaborate position markers for your troops and vehicles in a 'beer-and-pretzels' wargame we play for gaks and giggles. I quit the tournament scene simply because of all the WAAC players and TFG's telling me what to do with my models, because they can't accept that their interpretation of 'the rules' (or, more accurately 'the guidelines') isn't the only one (and they did so more than once, I often hear people applauding me with my patience). Once you have seen one of them throwing his own (old, metal) dreadnought to the ground and rage-quit the tournament because the tournament organiser wasn't on his level when explaining a rule, you should know it's time for him to quit. Which he didn't. Simply returning and assigning zero 'sportmanship points' when you disagree with a rule interpretation (and claiming never to have seen the FAQ about it...) which would have been in his favour if it were'n't FAQ'ed.

Base them any way you like, and that seems good within reason. Be prepared for a gakstorm from TFG, and simply yet politely show him or her the error in their ways. They'll 'love you' for that.

Your responses are all appreciated. Thak you.

Genestealer boxes are supplied with 25mm
The two 'Purestrains' in Deathwatch: Overkill come on 32mm bases

Conclusion: Put Genestealers on whichever size you prefer.

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, all heavy weapon teams need to be on the big base - 2 models on 25mm bases hasn't been a thing for many editions.

Blah,blah

A heavy weapon team is a single model, not two. How some painter in the studio bases some models for a picture has zero to do with what the rules clearly state.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, all heavy weapon teams need to be on the big base - 2 models on 25mm bases hasn't been a thing for many editions.

Blah,blah

A heavy weapon team is a single model, not two. How some painter in the studio bases some models for a picture has zero to do with what the rules clearly state.

I can't find a specific mention of any rule about weapon team bases. Or bases sizes at all, for that matter. Got a page reference for where the rules "clearly state" this? Also, you can still buy at least one metal IG squad with an individually-based missile launcher.

Really don't understand why people get in such a flap about base sizes tbh. Just slap things on what you think looks good.

He's talking about a Weapon Team being a single model with 2W, not 2 x 1W models. The base size itself is not legislated. The rules are written largely assuming you buy only from GW plastics they keep instore. If you have discrepancies with old armies, eh, not game-breaking, just house rule it and move on, or rebase if you choose. There's not much need for pedantic internet fights over this stuff, but they do happen.

And they tend to start with things like "Blah, blah", showing extreme signs of disrespect. As such, I'm out of this discussion before it really gets nasty and starts to overshadow the true intent of OP; to get a question answered.

Cheers.

 Nazrak wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, all heavy weapon teams need to be on the big base - 2 models on 25mm bases hasn't been a thing for many editions.

Blah,blah

A heavy weapon team is a single model, not two. How some painter in the studio bases some models for a picture has zero to do with what the rules clearly state.

I can't find a specific mention of any rule about weapon team bases. Or bases sizes at all, for that matter. Got a page reference for where the rules "clearly state" this? Also, you can still buy at least one metal IG squad with an individually-based missile launcher.

Really don't understand why people get in such a flap about base sizes tbh. Just slap things on what you think looks good.

The rules don't state the base size and I did not claim that they did.. But they do very clearly state that a heavy weapon team is one model with both a heavy weapon and a lasgun.