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2017/07/14 23:45:43
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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Is there anything shooting wise that specifically says ignores cover modifiers?
I have seen a few items which state you are "-" to hit them with shooting attacks and weapons that don't need LoS to shoot units.
Just wondering if there are other scenarios that have come up.
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 No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
 The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
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2017/07/15 00:11:53
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well, I know Dark Reapers ignore to hit modifiers and things with -5 AP don't particularly care if something is in cover (Reapers don't have that, though). But I can't think of anything off hand that flat ignores cover modifiers.
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2017/07/15 01:06:20
Subject: Re:Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Sonic weapons say that they ignore the bonus from cover
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2017/07/15 01:37:28
Subject: Re:Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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There are lots of weapons that ignore cover. It's on the weapons' profiles.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/15 01:37:45
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2017/07/15 01:47:59
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Impaler Cannon, Smart Missile System, Choking Spores, Eradicator Nova Cannon, Skorcha Missiles
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6+ = 6/36 | Reroll 1s = 7/36 | Reroll Misses = 11/36 ||||||| 5+ = 12/36 | Reroll 1s 14/36 | Reroll Misses = 20/36 ||||||| 4+ = 18/36 | Reroll 1s 21/36 | Reroll Misses = 27/36
3+ = 24/36 | Reroll 1s 28/36 | Reroll Misses = 32/36 ||||||| 2+ = 30/36 | Reroll 1s 35/36 ||||||| Highest of 2d6 = 4.47 |
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2017/07/15 02:08:06
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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Skitarii with Omnispexes.
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Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne! |
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2017/07/15 02:17:27
Subject: Re:Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Stalwart Tribune
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Kkastelens with the phosphor blasters ignore cover.
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2017/07/15 02:22:12
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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Right - but is there anything ignoring cover and cover saves?
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
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2017/07/15 03:29:29
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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cover saves aren't a thing any more. The only thing cover does is give +1 to your armor save and that's it.
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2017/07/15 13:08:12
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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I think he is looking for something like the old collosus mortar which ignored cover and ignored los. This edition i don't think i have seen something yet.
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2017/07/15 13:46:02
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:I think he is looking for something like the old collosus mortar which ignored cover and ignored los. This edition i don't think i have seen something yet.
Actually in the FW Index AM ...the Colossus Bombard does in fact ignore cover and also does not require LOS. The AM actually have a whole lot of weapons that do one or the other (ignore cover OR do not require LOS).
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2017/07/15 15:54:08
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:I think he is looking for something like the old collosus mortar which ignored cover and ignored los. This edition i don't think i have seen something yet.
So Impaler Cannon and Smart Missile System
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6+ = 6/36 | Reroll 1s = 7/36 | Reroll Misses = 11/36 ||||||| 5+ = 12/36 | Reroll 1s 14/36 | Reroll Misses = 20/36 ||||||| 4+ = 18/36 | Reroll 1s 21/36 | Reroll Misses = 27/36
3+ = 24/36 | Reroll 1s 28/36 | Reroll Misses = 32/36 ||||||| 2+ = 30/36 | Reroll 1s 35/36 ||||||| Highest of 2d6 = 4.47 |
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2017/07/15 16:07:41
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:I think he is looking for something like the old collosus mortar which ignored cover and ignored los. This edition i don't think i have seen something yet.
But depending on the target, they wouldn't get cover anyway, if he can't see them. Cover is not based on LOS from the firer anymore, but on the position of the unit in cover. So, if he's firing a Wyvern at an Infantry unit he cannot see, if they're not in woods or ruins, they don't get cover. Firing at a vehicle would be different, but they'd still have to be in the cover to get the save.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/15 16:09:01
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2017/07/18 19:19:00
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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My wish was granted! IF whirlwinds now ignore cover saves and don't need LoS!!!
Rock on GW!
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
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2017/07/18 19:35:20
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Lieutenant General
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 Uriels_Flame wrote:My wish was granted! IF whirlwinds now ignore cover saves and don't need LoS!!!
Rock on GW!
I don't believe vehicles (other than Dreadnoughts) benefit from Chapter Tactics.
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2017/07/18 19:47:52
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Norn Queen
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Uriels_Flame wrote:My wish was granted! IF whirlwinds now ignore cover saves and don't need LoS!!!
Rock on GW!
Unless you find a way to mount a whirlwind launcher to a dreadnought, it won't benefit.
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2017/07/18 19:55:18
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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And sadness again....
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/19 00:39:41
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
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2017/07/19 18:15:17
Subject: Re:Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Snivelling Workbot
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Ork Big Gunz - Lobba, no LOS needed (target units that are not visible to the bearer)
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2017/07/19 23:26:19
Subject: Not needing LoS and items granting cover ?
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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 puma713 wrote:THE_GODLYNESS wrote:I think he is looking for something like the old collosus mortar which ignored cover and ignored los. This edition i don't think i have seen something yet.
But depending on the target, they wouldn't get cover anyway, if he can't see them. Cover is not based on LOS from the firer anymore, but on the position of the unit in cover. So, if he's firing a Wyvern at an Infantry unit he cannot see, if they're not in woods or ruins, they don't get cover. Firing at a vehicle would be different, but they'd still have to be in the cover to get the save.
In the faq about the imperial statue says something about los and cover etc.
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