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Bought (against my better judgment) the Dark Imperium kit, and got to building the Marines today. Caught myself thinking that the "ez2build" minis feel a bit like painting by the numbers, but anyway.

I find myself the most excited I've been about a GW kit since building the two Imperial Knights. I find that I absolutely LOVE the design of the Primaris: finally the proper size and proportions, the big bolters, the helmets... everything. Well maybe I'm a little upset about the lack of grenades (and you can bet I'll be gluing some on) and the CCW (going to find a way to stick at least a knife, or better a chainsword somewhere on each one of them), but other than that, in my mind, THAT IS WHAT SPACE MARINES SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE.

Now I know that the bolter Primaris are overcosted, and Space Marines are perpetually low on the totem pole of competitiveness, but it doesn't bother me much as I don't play anymore. Aesthetically though, the kit is fantastic. I look forward to collecting a few squads, particularly when and if a multipart kit makes an appearance. Anyone else share my silly excitement about the newest PA boys?

ohh I agree I'm actually really excited, and am really waiting for the codex to drop, I have a feeling, we've got some suprises coming still that could be fun. for example, based off some fluff they've shown us I'm thinking intercessor squads will be able to take the autobolt rifle or the stalker bolt rifle as options instead and if so that'll be awesome. (the auto bolt rifle will be a real "game playu style changer)

Agreed. And it always did bother me that my Guardsmen were the same size as my DA. Waiting for the Codex to drop to decide what Chapter to go with for my Primaris though. The new leaked photos of the Aggressors, Reivers and Apothecary look great.

 TheAdversary wrote:
Agreed. And it always did bother me that my Guardsmen were the same size as my DA. Waiting for the Codex to drop to decide what Chapter to go with for my Primaris though. The new leaked photos of the Aggressors, Reivers and Apothecary look great.

I'm doing blood ravens

BrianDavion wrote:
ohh I agree I'm actually really excited, and am really waiting for the codex to drop, I have a feeling, we've got some suprises coming still that could be fun. for example, based off some fluff they've shown us I'm thinking intercessor squads will be able to take the autobolt rifle or the stalker bolt rifle as options instead and if so that'll be awesome. (the auto bolt rifle will be a real "game playu style changer)

Yep, I too hope this will be the case. Though I really don't think it's worth replacing the bolt-rifles with the auto variants. Stalkers aren't great either, but might work for some back field objective campers. Though the best case scenario is that we get some completely new variants (there was a dual-barreled bolt rifle in one promo picture.)

It's a big meh for me overall.

I love the new look for the standard primaris marine. The jet pack guys look pretty bad imo. The aggressors look very odd too. The tank is a major turn off for me. The dread, Librarian, and Chaplain look stunning.

My biggest argument is the justification for their existence. I would have been absolutely fine with GW just saying 'look, we're going to redo the SM and CSM lines to make them more true scale and I would have likely replaced every single model I own.

But the little background and fluff justification we have for them so far is absolutely terrible. If they were a single unit of mindless human killing machines to try and turn back the tide of chaos only to find out that no one could match the Emperor's genius and the Primaris Marines turned out to be nothing more than the Thunder Warriors of old and were a failed experiment. That way they were built for one purpose only and that was to be fodder to push back the tide of Chaos but ultimately they would need to be put down. Something fun to move the story forward and perhaps phase out once 8th moves on in full swing kind of like how some of the AOS stuff turned out.

But coming out with an entire faction of them? I really don't like it.Especially with as goofy as some of them look (jump packs and aggressors for example).

I'm excited for the rules, but my project will be using regular Marines. I don't hate them, and quite honestly I like them overall (except that I can see the top of the head of the Rievers) but I'm just stubborn and used to the fact I have several more options with the regular size marines (including Chainsword and power weapons that aren't relegated to being stuck in the left hand all the frickin time)

Personally, everywhere I read I see bashing on the new redemptor dread. I am the only one who sees a giant walking war machine brimming with weaponry? I can't understand the negativity sometimes, but I for one welcome the new additions

CrimsonApostle wrote:
Personally, everywhere I read I see bashing on the new redemptor dread. I am the only one who sees a giant walking war machine brimming with weaponry? I can't understand the negativity sometimes, but I for one welcome the new additions

If the Dread didn't look like it had a beer belly I'd be all over it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

CrimsonApostle wrote:
Personally, everywhere I read I see bashing on the new redemptor dread. I am the only one who sees a giant walking war machine brimming with weaponry? I can't understand the negativity sometimes, but I for one welcome the new additions

If the Dread didn't look like it had a beer belly I'd be all over it.

It also has flimsy looking chicken legs. It literally looks like it cannot support it's weight. Easily my least favourite model of the primaris release.

CrimsonApostle wrote:
Personally, everywhere I read I see bashing on the new redemptor dread. I am the only one who sees a giant walking war machine brimming with weaponry? I can't understand the negativity sometimes, but I for one welcome the new additions

I think part of the problem is it went from a very 40k and unique looking walker to something that looks straight out of robotech/mechwarrior. I personally still like it, but I'm also a very big Mechwarrior/Robotech fan.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Caught myself thinking that the "ez2build" minis feel a bit like painting by the numbers, but anyway.

Thinking this is a sin against our Spiritual Lieges, Games Workshop. Repent! You shall recite "Hail Plastic" sixty times!

The scale issue is... Not canon Tru-Scale by GW's own admission. The problem was not the height of the marines, it was the size of the guard. While most older miniatures had horrible proportions, the IG were actually made too large relative to everything else. Marines in most fluff did not tower over things like Eldar or Tyranid Warriors. They were 2-3 feet taller than humans (depending on source), but were easily matched in size by the Eldar (commonly 7' themselves), Orks (who continuously grow as they fight), and other such things. GW really ought to have made smaller Guardsmen, but that would be less impressive on one of their display cases, so they went with biggah marines.

Which can't be played as Tru-Scale marines, unless all your opponents are forsaking Primaris Marines entirely.

I am of the opinion that GW will eventually phase out both the old marine line and old marine rules, replace them exclusively with Primaris Models and have an official "Use them as primaris until you buy new models" line (since telling people they HAVE to buy new ones will be corporate suicide).

Primaris models are indeed very nice.

On the plus side, the death guard models are very cool.
Two wounds per Primo Weenie makes sense.
Maybe all Weenies should have two wounds frankly, like nobs.

As for the Primaris themselves, well...
No beaks.
Repulsor is repulsive.
The new dread is meh.
Can't ride in standard delivery systems, why? Termies can... Huh?
Aggressors are ugly. Very. Remind me of old old termies from way way back. Sloped shoulders and missiles and all...
Characters are stupidly expensive - money wise - and cool but not 35$ cool.
Storm caste primos are heresy for any self respecting inquisitor so how this gets justified against ten thousand years of emprah worship I just can't see happening without big big trouble and the death of every loyal inquisitor in the galaxy.

I was excited for 8th.
But the rules are too abstract with silly side effects.
Might still try to pick up the No Fear box set for the death guard.
But will not be rebuilding my imperials with Primo Weenies.
As far as my imperials are concerned, primos are heresy and must be purged. With fire.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

CrimsonApostle wrote:
Personally, everywhere I read I see bashing on the new redemptor dread. I am the only one who sees a giant walking war machine brimming with weaponry? I can't understand the negativity sometimes, but I for one welcome the new additions

If the Dread didn't look like it had a beer belly I'd be all over it.

It also has flimsy looking chicken legs. It literally looks like it cannot support it's weight. Easily my least favourite model of the primaris release.

Just different tastes I suppose, I can respect that. I see the beer belly for what it is, a slanted armor plate to better protect the sarcophagi holding the marine. I don't see any problem with legs either aesthetically but to each their own. I think my rugged and war weathered contemptors will contrast nicely with the new advanced technology redemptors, and I also think the UM paint color makes it look worse than it is. Painted in different colors with proper weathering to give it a more grim dark feel might make it stand in more. Maybe a few minor conversions and additions

 Selym wrote:

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Caught myself thinking that the "ez2build" minis feel a bit like painting by the numbers, but anyway.

Thinking this is a sin against our Spiritual Lieges, Games Workshop. Repent! You shall recite "Hail Plastic" sixty times!

The scale issue is... Not canon Tru-Scale by GW's own admission. The problem was not the height of the marines, it was the size of the guard. While most older miniatures had horrible proportions, the IG were actually made too large relative to everything else. Marines in most fluff did not tower over things like Eldar or Tyranid Warriors. They were 2-3 feet taller than humans (depending on source), but were easily matched in size by the Eldar (commonly 7' themselves), Orks (who continuously grow as they fight), and other such things. GW really ought to have made smaller Guardsmen, but that would be less impressive on one of their display cases, so they went with biggah marines.

Which can't be played as Tru-Scale marines, unless all your opponents are forsaking Primaris Marines entirely.

This is just BS. Genestealer Cultyst, Admech Skitarii, Chaos Cultists, and every other human model are of the same size than normal tactical marines. Is not about the Cadians. Even Tau are of the same size! That are even smaller that normal humans.

Stop using the "Cadians were just too big!" argument. It doesn't makes sense! Normal marines TOWER Eldar and normal Ork Boyz. Ork Boyz are smaller (but bulkier) than normal humans!

To me the rules matter not a whit, I don't play anymore and never will (when it comes to writing rules, GW never fails to disappoint). Models though, I'll collect anything that is cool and PA-related.

I like the aggressors, yes they are quite grotesque, but then again, I'm one of the ten people in the world that liked the centurions (with some small adjustments). Reivers are crap, I'll never unsee the powershorts (and neither should you). FatNought doesn't matter much to me, I have plenty of boxes on legs already... then again, maybe it'll look better in person!

The basic design I think is solid.

However:

-Too high tech for 40K
-Not enough bling
-Not gothic looking enough
-Not enough focus on close combat (feth shooting)

These new marines seem too technology forward for my liking. I wish they would have just come out and said "hey we're re-doing the line in tru-scale" instead of creating this strange work around that I dislike intensely.

40K is about hyper religious space monks trying to beat you with a chainsaw. Stop making it into something else.

the lack of bling is actually specificly noted, as Primaris Marines are so new they've not had much time for their armor to be blinged out

BrianDavion wrote:
the lack of bling is actually specificly noted, as Primaris Marines are so new they've not had much time for their armor to be blinged out

And given that they are being supplied by a near Heretical Mechanicus, that also explains the High Tech.

CrimsonApostle wrote:
Personally, everywhere I read I see bashing on the new redemptor dread. I am the only one who sees a giant walking war machine brimming with weaponry? I can't understand the negativity sometimes, but I for one welcome the new additions

Cant wait fo the stats on that uber assualt cannon.

I honestly prefer the standard tactical marine helmets, they look a bit more crude and brutal which is kind of what the imperium was supposed to be like. The primaris stuff is cool but it's a bit sleek and rounded and that aesthetic is kind of at odds with what the imperium has always been..gothic medieval high tech stuff. The only reason the primaris marines aren't being reviled completely IMO is cause they take from the HH mk IV aesthetic to a fairly decent degree and that has always been a well liked style.

 Thargrim wrote:
I honestly prefer the standard tactical marine helmets, they look a bit more crude and brutal which is kind of what the imperium was supposed to be like. The primaris stuff is cool but it's a bit sleek and rounded and that aesthetic is kind of at odds with what the imperium has always been..gothic medieval high tech stuff. The only reason the primaris marines aren't being reviled completely IMO is cause they take from the HH mk IV aesthetic to a fairly decent degree and that has always been a well liked style.

Im sorely tempted to buy a bunch of beakie helmets and refit my Primaris with them.

Ive seen a Primaris with a beakie helmet and it looked sick.

I bought First Strike and a box of Intercessors and Reivers each to bring squad size up to five, mostly to get an impression of the new models. I don't like most Primaris stuff, but I like basic Mk. X well enough to give it a try. Power short Reivers get converted. I can see what GW was going for, but not why.

I'm excited enough to actually work on GW models, which isn't something I've had much interest in lately, so there's that. But I'm just not sure about the new models. Yeah, the proportions of the old Marines were not exactly great, but I look at the assembled Reivers on my desk and something irks me. They look off somehow. I don't know. I guess getting more than 20 years of the same Marine image out of my head isn't going to happen overnight.

I don't care about their game or background aspects enough to let that get in the way of a fun side project.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
I'm one of the ten people in the world that liked the centurions (with some small adjustments).!

Wow, there's ten of us? More than I expected.