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Wolves
Space Wolves

Arjac Rockfist 140

Wolf Priest in Terminator Armour 146

Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour 167

5 Wulfen: Wulfen Pack Leader; 4 Wulfen; thunder hammer & storm shield; 3x frost claws 270

5 Wulfen: Wulfen Pack Leader; 4 Wulfen; thunder hammer & storm shield; 3x frost claws 270

5 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour (thunder hammer; storm shield); 4 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; 4 × frost sword; 4 × storm bolter; assault cannon 235

5 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour (thunder hammer; storm shield); 4 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; 4 × frost sword; 4 × storm bolter; assault cannon 235

Relic Spartan Assault Tank
2x quad lascannon; twin heavy bolter, twin multi melta 551

2014 points

How can I improve this list?

What do you want the list to do on a tactical level?
That's the place I prefer to start at.
I see Termies, Arjac, Wulfen and a gunnery tank.

Are you planning on having the Assault Tank and Wulfen hold your line then drop Termies behind the enemy? Have the Wulfen barrel out in front while the Termies and Assault Tank hold the line or just keep a unit of Termies in reserves for versatility?

My first bit of advice would be ditch the Wolf Priest, you don't have enough wounds to get real benefit out of him, I'd trade him for a WGBL with Termie armour to mitigate the BS penalty to Heavy Weaponry when your Termies arrive.

Seems like you could have the wulfen in the tank and the terminators in deep strike, move the tank forward firm one, then get everything out of it and deepstrike assault turn two with the wulfen rerolls. You pretty much always go first with 4 drops. The tank should survive 2-3 turns of shooting from most lists, which is long enough to get the assault off. What I'm more concerned about is what happens after that, as 20 terminators / wulfen agent that hard to kill, but they may do enough initial damage for that not to matter.

I'd say give it a go, as it's about as good as this kind of idea gets. That being said I'm sure you will run into a lot of paper match ups to your rock, as this list only really does one thing and seems vulnerable to anything that has a lot of small units to bubble wrap with, concripts, or the mobility to avoid the wulfen.

I really like Arjac leading a bucket load of Terminators into battle from the Spartan. The Wolfm Priest looks fine as he will provide a lot of rerolls to hit, even if he doesn't get the chance to do much healing (although he might).

How are you planning to field this? In my experience, even with the Wulfen reroll, charging out of Deep Strike is very unreliable. You only have a 50% chance of making the charge and if you fail, you have a very expensive squad standing in the open twiddling their thumbs.

Let us know how you plan to run the list and who goes in the Spartan, then we can look at possible changes.


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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
My first bit of advice would be ditch the Wolf Priest, you don't have enough wounds to get real benefit out of him, I'd trade him for a WGBL with Termie armour to mitigate the BS penalty to Heavy Weaponry when your Termies arrive.

Wolf Priest is great for rerolls to hit with all those Terminators, even if he doesn't get to patch people up very often.

WGBL only applies a reroll to wound (which Arjac supplies anyway). You need a Wolf Lord if you want rerolls to hit.

As someone who runs Arjac, a Wolf Priest, and WG Terminators all together... It's a flippin' boss unit IF you get it into combat. With rerolls to hit, rerolling 1s to wound, and +1 attack from all your terminators, they REALLY chop up anything they touch. I run my WG Terminators with 3x Wolf Claws and 2x TH/SS. Those Wolf Claw WG are now pumping out a large number of attacks, and with all the rerolls, it mulches most things.

The general idea was to start the Spartan on the board either the wulfen inside. Adjac and his terminators in reserve.

That way I should hopefully get first turn?

I would then use the eight lasscannon shots to try and cripple any heavy weapons units. Then in my opponents turn all they can shoot at is the Spartan.

T2 I would get moving the Spartan forward to get in charge range for the Wulfen. Terminators would come down to pressure a flank or Grab an objective or two.

Maybe the list needs another ranged threat?

I was also thinking of dropping the Wulfen down to one unit of 7 and dropping a termy squad. I could then run something else?

I don't have any SW units and don't really want to by basic marines given Primaris are now the new thing....

Ideas?


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Another option could be to drop the Spartan and role a land Raider with the 7 Wulfen. Then drop in maybe a Sicaran Battle Tank for another range threat and some AA.


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I guess I felt the Spartan can destroy tanks or SR easily in one package while keeping the Wulfen alive

 Karhedron wrote:
I really like Arjac leading a bucket load of Terminators into battle from the Spartan. The Wolfm Priest looks fine as he will provide a lot of rerolls to hit, even if he doesn't get the chance to do much healing (although he might).

How are you planning to field this? In my experience, even with the Wulfen reroll, charging out of Deep Strike is very unreliable. You only have a 50% chance of making the charge and if you fail, you have a very expensive squad standing in the open twiddling their thumbs.

Let us know how you plan to run the list and who goes in the Spartan, then we can look at possible changes.


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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
My first bit of advice would be ditch the Wolf Priest, you don't have enough wounds to get real benefit out of him, I'd trade him for a WGBL with Termie armour to mitigate the BS penalty to Heavy Weaponry when your Termies arrive.

Wolf Priest is great for rerolls to hit with all those Terminators, even if he doesn't get to patch people up very often.

WGBL only applies a reroll to wound (which Arjac supplies anyway). You need a Wolf Lord if you want rerolls to hit.

Wolf Priest re-rolls only activate in the fight phase and Arjac can only be in one place at any given time so the WGBL will provide more flexibility, not just in the shooting phase, it means you can still spread your forces in the melee phase rather than being forced to stick with Arjac.
The WGBL will also get you under 2000 points.
Alternatively you could take a Wolf Lord with a Jump Pack.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
I really like Arjac leading a bucket load of Terminators into battle from the Spartan. The Wolfm Priest looks fine as he will provide a lot of rerolls to hit, even if he doesn't get the chance to do much healing (although he might).

How are you planning to field this? In my experience, even with the Wulfen reroll, charging out of Deep Strike is very unreliable. You only have a 50% chance of making the charge and if you fail, you have a very expensive squad standing in the open twiddling their thumbs.

Let us know how you plan to run the list and who goes in the Spartan, then we can look at possible changes.


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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
My first bit of advice would be ditch the Wolf Priest, you don't have enough wounds to get real benefit out of him, I'd trade him for a WGBL with Termie armour to mitigate the BS penalty to Heavy Weaponry when your Termies arrive.

Wolf Priest is great for rerolls to hit with all those Terminators, even if he doesn't get to patch people up very often.

WGBL only applies a reroll to wound (which Arjac supplies anyway). You need a Wolf Lord if you want rerolls to hit.

Wolf Priest re-rolls only activate in the fight phase and Arjac can only be in one place at any given time so the WGBL will provide more flexibility, not just in the shooting phase, it means you can still spread your forces in the melee phase rather than being forced to stick with Arjac.
The WGBL will also get you under 2000 points.
Alternatively you could take a Wolf Lord with a Jump Pack.

Thanks,

What are your thoughts on dropping a unit of terminators for something else? And/or Taking the Wulfen down to a 6-7 man unit and running a LR over the Spartan?

Gibs55 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
I really like Arjac leading a bucket load of Terminators into battle from the Spartan. The Wolfm Priest looks fine as he will provide a lot of rerolls to hit, even if he doesn't get the chance to do much healing (although he might).

How are you planning to field this? In my experience, even with the Wulfen reroll, charging out of Deep Strike is very unreliable. You only have a 50% chance of making the charge and if you fail, you have a very expensive squad standing in the open twiddling their thumbs.

Let us know how you plan to run the list and who goes in the Spartan, then we can look at possible changes.


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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
My first bit of advice would be ditch the Wolf Priest, you don't have enough wounds to get real benefit out of him, I'd trade him for a WGBL with Termie armour to mitigate the BS penalty to Heavy Weaponry when your Termies arrive.

Wolf Priest is great for rerolls to hit with all those Terminators, even if he doesn't get to patch people up very often.

WGBL only applies a reroll to wound (which Arjac supplies anyway). You need a Wolf Lord if you want rerolls to hit.

Wolf Priest re-rolls only activate in the fight phase and Arjac can only be in one place at any given time so the WGBL will provide more flexibility, not just in the shooting phase, it means you can still spread your forces in the melee phase rather than being forced to stick with Arjac.
The WGBL will also get you under 2000 points.
Alternatively you could take a Wolf Lord with a Jump Pack.

Thanks,

What are your thoughts on dropping a unit of terminators for something else? And/or Taking the Wulfen down to a 6-7 man unit and running a LR over the Spartan?

I'd give it a few test runs with as few changes as possible first. That will usually give you enough information to decide what performs well and what isn't pulling its weight.