Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

After many games in 7th and starting to get a few games in 8th I'm still facing list specialization issues.
All be it I typically run the same core but mix and match the unit around my core I can't seem to make a list that is good for an all comers game.

I play eldar and build my list around a core of guardians but where I can do great in one game the next game I get murdered. I just can't seem to find that happy medium where my games are evenly matched most of the time.

So the feedback I would like is what elements make a good list that can hold it's on majority of the time.

Are you certain the problem stems from list building?

However consensus seems to be that hemlocks are sweet this ed, wraithguard are solid as always and shining spears and dark reapers are the new glass hammers people tend to pick. Also serpents are awesome, either as shuricannon unkillable transports (vectored engines plus assault weapons) or gunboats (twin heavy weapon plus CTM).
Anything more gets to personal tastes quickly and depends on local meta and all that stuff.

There may be an oe problem. But on boards with little Los blocking terrain I feel like my only option is to advance and shoot everything I can. If I don't move forward I'm going to die to long range fire. Most of my games feel like trading pawns in chess after I lose my queen piece out of the gate.

vaurapung wrote:
There may be an oe problem. But on boards with little Los blocking terrain I feel like my only option is to advance and shoot everything I can. If I don't move forward I'm going to die to long range fire. Most of my games feel like trading pawns in chess after I lose my queen piece out of the gate.

I mean the answer to this is simple. Play with more terrain, particularly LoS blocking terrain.

I'm working on making some 9*9 inch buildings 12" tall but with the new rules being able to gun down a whole unit when being able to only see the tip of one model I'm still not sure if it will be enough to sway the need to run up and shoot. My army tends to be very short range. In the last tourny 2k points and I had only 10 guns with over 12" range.

In that tourny my first game was vs necron warriors with a monolith ghost ark and doom scythe (no mercy)
That game I was ahead at end of turn 2 and cut short due to time limit (2 hours). 2 game was against termagaunts with tyranfex and two tervigon (big guns never tire and night fighting) night fighting was an advantage for me being my whole army was 12" range anyways. And end of turn two I was winning again timed out. Game three (the relic and psychic overload) vs 5 command tanks two basilisk and 2 other tanks 2 guards and some commisars. Landslide finished all five turn in less than two hours and he tabled my wraithknight three lords two guards one blade and three gaurdian units.

Speaking from the other side of the table, the dark reapers and wave serpents have given me the most trouble in Eldar lists. I would avoid the snipers like the plague, they've been a laughingstock every time I've seen them fielded.

What makes wave serpents so hard to deal with now. I thought they looked less impressive than in 7th. When two wraithlords actually head-on assaulted a landRaider and won I was impressed, in 7th they would have died just getting there.