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2017/07/31 21:37:40
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Hey all, if I'm running a model like Magnus, Lord of Change, Wraith knight, etc... can i charge a unit that in a buildings second or third floor that I cannot get into base contact with? I play with friends and we have just been moving the larger model up to the ruin, but I'm wondering if there is an official ruling.
Thanks!
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2017/07/31 22:25:36
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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No.
"Distances are measured from the closest points of the bases".
The exception is for vehicles without bases, at which point you measure to the closest point on the hull.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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2017/07/31 22:27:05
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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As it stands now? No. Not even in a small ruin. So it's a good way to hide from big beasties, tanks etc.
Doesn't make a lot of actual sense, but that is how it's written.
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2017/07/31 22:35:22
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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I had fun with this during the BAO by parking wave serpents and fire prisms on top of buildings and ruins and avoid being over run by alpha strikes.
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 No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
 The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
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2017/08/01 10:41:51
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
Hanoi, Vietnam.
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When you are charging, try to finish your charge so that your model's base is on the same level as its target. Then if it can't stand on its own, just move it back down using "wobbly model syndrome" and "remember" that is actually on the same level as its target. Now you have a rule justification for that awesome face off between Magnus and those Space Marines on the third floor.
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2017/08/01 13:25:21
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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 Ginjitzu wrote:When you are charging, try to finish your charge so that your model's base is on the same level as its target. Then if it can't stand on its own, just move it back down using "wobbly model syndrome" and "remember" that is actually on the same level as its target. Now you have a rule justification for that awesome face off between Magnus and those Space Marines on the third floor.
Aren't some models forbidden from going above ground level in ruins though?
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2017/08/01 13:51:04
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Irked Necron Immortal
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 vipoid wrote: Ginjitzu wrote:When you are charging, try to finish your charge so that your model's base is on the same level as its target. Then if it can't stand on its own, just move it back down using "wobbly model syndrome" and "remember" that is actually on the same level as its target. Now you have a rule justification for that awesome face off between Magnus and those Space Marines on the third floor.
Aren't some models forbidden from going above ground level in ruins though?
If the unit has Fly they can move into different levels of the ruins or buildings. Otherwise things like Monsters and Vehicles cannot. In this particular case Magnus is a Monster but has the Fly keyword so he COULD charge a unit on any floor as long as he makes the roll and has a place he can placed
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2017/08/01 16:01:40
Subject: Re:Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Clousseau
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Wouldn't you be able to claim "wobbly model" and put him on the tiniest piece of exposed ground?
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 Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you 
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
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2017/08/01 16:08:51
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Focused Fire Warrior
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I think it's more fun to play with large things attacking from reasonable reach. I mean units can be spread across multiple levels and maintain coherency right? That's usually <2" from head to base of the guy above and >4" from base to base. So a 3 story monster should be able to attack the guy that's physically touching it's arm if the arm isn't extended beyond the base. Basically treating these things like cylinders.
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2017/08/02 19:19:13
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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I really hope GW faqs this lol.
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2017/08/02 20:04:40
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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needs official clarification. A Trygon Prime skittering outside of a ruin should be able to tear a devastator squad out of it.
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2017/08/02 22:43:48
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Yellin' Yoof
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I know it's not raw, but we measure from the model for monster/vehicle assaults within reason. Ex: a tank can't squish someone an 2nd+ floor, but a deffdread or hive tyrant can certainly pull people through walls windows
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Orkz is never beaten in battle. If we win, we win. If we did, we did fighting so it don't count. If we legz it, we just come back for annuver go, see? |
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2017/08/03 10:13:18
Subject: Melee fighting on multiple floors
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
Hanoi, Vietnam.
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malcontent999 wrote:I know it's not raw, but we measure from the model for monster/vehicle assaults within reason. Ex: a tank can't squish someone an 2nd+ floor, but a deffdread or hive tyrant can certainly pull people through walls windows
Heresy! This sort of rational decision making is unacceptable. You should be interpreting rules precisely & to the letter without exception, while doing everything in your ability to find unintended flaws in the ruleset and manipulating these flaws so you can achieve total domination. Your notions of "fun" and "sportsmanship" disgust me, cretin.
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