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Has anyone got the imperial armor xenos book? I got it today and went to the corsairs section and noticed the hqs are all absent! I couldnt find the corsair prince or the void dreamer. Am i missing something or did GW just kill my favorite eldar army lists?

The Prince and Void dreamer did not have models, so they do not have rules. Autarchs, Archons, Shadowseers, Farseers all have the Aeldari keyword and as such can be you HQ in a Corsair detachment.
So you just have to use their rules to represent Princes, Void dreamers, etc. With sharing a keyword being the way to take "allies" now, making a mixed list to represent Corsairs is even easier than ever before.
No, Corsairs are not dead, and to me they are more viable then ever. But I never used the FW rules to represent my Corsairs anyway. I always just took a mix of Eldar & Dark Eldar, so nothing really changed for me, other than not having to take minimum troop or hq units that really didn't fit the theme

 Sanguinius1385 wrote:
Has anyone got the imperial armor xenos book? I got it today and went to the corsairs section and noticed the hqs are all absent! I couldnt find the corsair prince or the void dreamer. Am i missing something or did GW just kill my favorite eldar army lists?

For all intents and purposes, FW has indeed killed off Corsairs.

I think they have maybe a couple of horribly-overpriced troop choices left and that's it.

If you need any more evidence, consider the Void Sabre. Remember how in 7th it was a really nice weapon with S+1 AP3 Rending? It was costed reasonably and nowhere near overpowered.

Well, apparently it was still too good for FW's liking, because they decided to make it a Power Sword that costs 250% of the standard price. No improved stats, no special rules, just a hugely inflated price tag as a final F-you to Corsair players.

Thank you, FW, for so embodying the phrase "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

 Galef wrote:
The Prince and Void dreamer did not have models, so they do not have rules. Autarchs, Archons, Shadowseers, Farseers all have the Aeldari keyword and as such can be you HQ in a Corsair detachment.

If GW axed the entire Eldar codex save for its troop choices and then said 'no, it's fine - look you can take DE and Harlequin HQs instead'. Would you honestly still think that Eldar existed as an army?

 vipoid wrote:
For all intents and purposes, FW has indeed killed off Corsairs.

Considering they've retired the Corsair Infantry Upgrade Kit, I'm inclined to agree...

They got squatted

 vipoid wrote:

If GW axed the entire Eldar codex save for its troop choices and then said 'no, it's fine - look you can take DE and Harlequin HQs instead'. Would you honestly still think that Eldar existed as an army?

If Eldar were portrayed in the fluff as an mix of DE and Harlies, then yeah they would still exist. However, your analogy is flawed because they are not portrayed this way in the fluff, but Corsair are

I have been playing Corsair Eldar since before FW had Corsair models with Corsair rules. I did so by theming my Eldar and Dark Eldar armies alike. Mostly bikes and skimmers, etc.
When allies became a thing, my armies already matched and I got to play a true Corasir list (again, pre-FW)
In the fluff Corsairs are EXACTLY that: Craftworld and Commarite Outcasts that have chosen to ply the void. Every single Corsair Eldar was once either a Craftworlder, Dark Eldar or in rare cases an Exodite.

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 Galef wrote:
However, your analogy is flawed because they are not portrayed this way in the fluff, but Corsair are-

My analogy is just fine.

Corsairs might be a mix of Eldar and DE in the fluff, but they had their own mechanics that were separate (and different) from both of those. Hence, deleting Corsairs and saying 'just use Eldar' is worthless. if Corsair players wanted to play straight Eldar or straight DE or even a mix of the two (which 7th allowed for) then they would have done so.

 Galef wrote:

I have been playing Corsair Eldar since before FW had Corsair models with Corsair rules. I did so by theming my Eldar and Dark Eldar armies alike. Mostly bikes and skimmers, etc.
When allies became a thing, my armies already matched and I got to play a true Corasir list (again, pre-FW)
In the fluff Corsairs are EXACTLY that: Craftworld and Commarite Outcasts that have chosen to ply the void. Every single Corsair Eldar was once either a Craftworlder, Dark Eldar or in rare cases an Exodite.

Good for you. But that doesn't actually change anything.

Corsairs had an army. Now they do not.
Corsairs had their own mechanics. Now they do not (outside of their troop choices, which is all they've got left).
Corsair Princes were not Autarchs. Nor were they Archons, Farseers, Troupe Masters or any such. Now they have no longer exist and you are forced to use one of those instead.
Void Dreamers were not Farseers. Nor were they Warlocks, Shadowseers or Spirit Seers. Now you must use those to represent them anyway. And by 'represent' we mean 'lie and pretend they're something that they're clearly not'.

You say you're playing Corsairs, I say you're playing Eldar with a vague Corsair theme. "It's there, honest! I know they play exactly the same as any other Eldar army but I promise you they're Corsairs."

Each to their own, but I look back at the 7th edition Corsair Prince - with his great wargear selection and fantastic First Prince ability - as one of the most fun HQs ever released. Not one of the Eldar, DE or Harlequin HQs even comes close to that. Hell, most of them can't even take his mobility options. So that leaves you with an Autarch. Does he have anything like the Void Sabre? No. Does he have anything even resembling the First Prince ability? No. Can he even have dual pistols? No. Can he take any DE gear? No. Can he be a psyker? No. Boy, it's like the Corsair Prince is right here with us.

Maybe the Eldar Codex will help this by giving the Autarch more options, but at the moment he's nothing but a pale shadow of the Corsair Prince (and the DE and Harlequin HQs are no better).

Look, I'm sorry if I'm being a bit harsh with you but this is something I'm still really bitter about. The Corsair Prince was my favourite HQ in 7th. He wasn't especially strong or killy, but he had a ton of options, he could fly (for a DE player that meant a great deal) and he was just dripping with flavour. I loving converted a model for him (using wings in place of a Jet Pack), which I was really pleased with. What's more, I just loved Corsairs in general. I didn't even take most of their strong units - instead I played them largely as I would DE (Reavers in Corsair Venoms, Balestrike Bands in place of Scourges). I loved their mobility rules because it finally felt like I was playing a fast army.

And then 8th dropped and FW axed the Corsair Prince entirely (along with basically everything else in Corsairs). Sigh. So now my Corsair Prince sits on a shelf beside my converted Void Dreamer and Malevolent conversions. Yes, I could use him as an winged Autarch. The problem is that I've simply got no interest in doing so. The Autarch is practically the antithesis of my Corsair Prince (who leaned far more to the DE side). And mechanically, there's just nothing that makes me want to use one in the first place. It's not that they're bad it's just that they're exceptionally bland.

I read somewhere that forgeworld said their army specific rules would be coming back at a later date. I couldn't cite that, but it was just after the fw xenos book was released.

How annoying i built a huge corsair army....ah well i can play them as DE I guess for now with the hornets and wasps mixed it. Smh

I guess this is why I never committed to a FW Corsair list. They were always a fringe army that I never considered a "real" army anyway. I'd consider Sisters of Battle a 'real' army before I'd consider Corsairs, and I actually like Corsairs

I feel sorry for those of you who built an "army" of Corasirs, but my advise is to use whichever Eldar, Harlie or DE rules to represent the models you have. There is plenty to chose from and since they all share the <Aeldari> keyword, you can cherry-pick which rules you want like never before.

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Yeah, sorry, unless FW magically decides to go back and remake the army, they're dead and basically proxies, despite Galef's assertion that his favorite proxies aren't proxies. It might even be true that the proxy army is better than the old one was in prior editions or would have been if updated (I sure as hell know Tyrant's Legion was terrible and is much better as combined Guard and Marines, though I miss those units), but the army is gone.

 Bonachinonin wrote:
I read somewhere that forgeworld said their army specific rules would be coming back at a later date. I couldn't cite that, but it was just after the fw xenos book was released.

Yeah, but with FW release rate I wouldn't expect it before 2030, if ever given their antipathy for anything that isn't a space marine.

FW is kinda struggling atm, so I wouldn't lose hope some of this will come back later.

It may be that the design space for corsairs was getting a bit cluttered as well. Or changes in lore might lead to alterations. But honestly, I think it's just a rushed product from a company really struggling to keep up atm.

What do you mean by struggeling? 30 000 has been doing great, has it not?

Transtion to 8th edition has been the fastest ever from FW, and on top of that, they even had the erataes! It is mazing.

I think what bugs me is that this really doesn't seem like it would have taken a great deal of their time to do.

7th had already laid virtually all the groundwork (and equipment and special rules were, if anything, being removed rather than added).

Would it really have taken that much more effort to convert the Corsair HQs, transports and Balestrikes into 8th edition dataslates?