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So, Im relatively new to actually playing Warhammer 40k. Ive been trading armies and painting for a long time though. I know the rules pretty much and I know how to play but I have my first tournament coming up in a few weeks and I dont have a coherent army list yet. I have a pretty big Chaos army and I got a lot of second hand Dark Imperium stuff so I wanted to run half chaos space marines and half Death Guard. I made a first draft for an army list I could use for the tournament.

///<--Since then Ive made many revisions. I'm marking the comments for those edits with these forward slashes

///Edit 4: 2 options
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Option 1:Existing List

Chaos Space Marine Detachment: 814 pts

HQ: 173 pts

Kharn the Betrayer: 173 pts

Troops: 153pts

Berzerker Squad: 153 pts
9x Berserkers
9x Chainaxes and Chainswords

Dedicated Transport: 72pts

CSM Rhino: 72pts
1x Combi-Bolter

Flyers: 215 pts

Helldrake: 215pts
1x Helldrake
1x Baleflamer
1x Helldrake Claws

Elites: 218pts

Terminator Squad:201 pts
5x Terminators
4x Combi-Bolters
4x Power Axes
1x Reaper Autocanon



Death Guard Detachment: 685 pts

HQ: 164pts

Typhus: 164 pts

Elites: 80pts

Noxious Blightbringer: 80 pts
1x Cursed Plague bell
1x Plasma Pistol

Troops: 283 pts

Plague Marine Squad: 169 pts
5x Plague Marines
3x Boltguns
5x Plague Knives
2x Blight Launchers
1x Power Fist
1x Plasma Gun
1x Plaguesword

Poxwalkers: 114 pts
19 Poxwalkers


Fast Attack: 158pts

Bloat Drone: 158pts
1x Foetid Bloat-drone
2x Plaguespitters
1x Plague Probe

Total: 1499 points /b]

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[b]Option 2: Heavy Support and Cultists

Chaos Space Marine Detachment: 812 pts

HQ: 173 pts

Kharn the Betrayer: 173 pts

Troops: 212pts

Berzerker Squad: 153 pts
9x Berserkers
9x Chainaxes and Chainswords

Cultists: 59 pts
1 Aspiring Champion
9x Cultists
1x Flamer


Dedicated Transport: 72pts

CSM Rhino: 72pts
1x Combi-Bolter

Flyers: 215 pts

Helldrake: 215pts
1x Helldrake
1x Baleflamer
1x Helldrake Claws

Heavy Support: 140pts
Havocs: 140pts
5x Havocs
3x Lascanons



Death Guard Detachment: 688 pts

HQ: 164pts

Typhus: 164 pts

Elites: 80pts

Noxious Blightbringer: 80 pts
1x Cursed Plague bell
1x Plasma Pistol

Troops: 286 pts

Plague Marine Squad: 166 pts
5x Plague Marines
3x Boltguns
5x Plague Knives
2x Blight Launchers
1x Power Fist
1x Plasma Gun

Poxwalkers: 120 pts
20 Poxwalkers


Fast Attack: 158pts

Bloat Drone: 158pts
1x Foetid Bloat-drone
2x Plaguespitters
1x Plague Probe

Total: 1500 points /b]

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[b]Option 3 Daemon Prince with Wings

Chaos Space Marine Detachment: 824 pts

HQ: 385 pts

Kharn the Betrayer: 173 pts

Daemon Prince: 212 pts
1x Daemon Prince with Wings
1x Hellforged Sword
set of Malefic Talons

Troops: 152pts

Berzerker Squad: 152 pts
9x Berserkers
8x Chainaxes and Chainswords
1x Bolt Pistol

Dedicated Transport: 72pts

CSM Rhino: 72pts
1x Combi-Bolter

Flyers: 215 pts

Helldrake: 215pts
1x Helldrake
1x Baleflamer
1x Helldrake Claws



Death Guard Detachment: 676 pts

HQ: 164pts

Typhus: 164 pts

Elites: 80pts

Noxious Blightbringer: 80 pts
1x Cursed Plague bell
1x Plasma Pistol

Troops: 274 pts

Plague Marine Squad: 166 pts
5x Plague Marines
3x Boltguns
5x Plague Knives
2x Blight Launchers
1x Power Fist
1x Plasma Gun

Poxwalkers: 108 pts
18 Poxwalkers


Fast Attack: 158pts

Bloat Drone: 158pts
1x Foetid Bloat-drone
2x Plaguespitters
1x Plague Probe

Total: 1500 points /b]

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Edits:
/Thanks to Nurgleforlife. I was able to create a second draft of the list with all of the default equipment costs included. Had to move some things around but the list hasnt change that much. Thanks to Sick Bag I also reduced the Berzerkers to 9 models so that they can go out for a rip with Kharn in the Rhino. I was thinking of putting an icon of wrath on the berzerkers but Im assuming the rhino can get them close enough to not worry about charge rolls. So I gave a Terminator a Combi-Melta instead. Halved the number of plague marines and went full r3tard with their upgrades. Not sure if this was a good choice but it made getting all of the units I wanted in possible.

//Switched out the Obliterators for a Helldrake. Meant I had to switch the terminators combi-melta for a combi-bolter. Dropped a poxwalker and added a plaguesword to the plague marine champion.

///made a second list with havoc's and cultists instead of terminators. And a third with a Daemon prince with wings. Ill use the one that gets the most votes.

///My strategy is to herd the enemy with my death guard forces, the plaguespitter and Blight launchers have some decent AP so I can shoot some heavies down while the DG advances. The Helldrake can take out troublesome units on turn 1 and the Terminators will serve to protect the rear of the army. Kharn and his berzerker buddies can cruise around and flank the enemy after the DG have herded them into position. I could switch out the Terminators for Havocs with lascanons and Cultists to better hold objectives or a Daemon Prince with Wings which would shreck anyone up who would try to deep strike.

//I was considering dropping the terminators for a cheap 10 man CSM squad and a 10 man Cultist Squad. Id probably have to knock off a few more poxwalkers to make it work. They could still protect the rear but they can also stay to hold objectives. Or I could switch them out for Havocs with Lascanons, The army still feels like it doesnt have enough Heavy Support IMO.

I have access to these Chaos units I could use for this army: (this includes units in the list as well)

[b]CSM:
3x chaos lords
1x Chaos sorcerer
2x ahriman
6x chosen
10x chaos space marins
24x berzerkers
1x kharn the betrayer
1x abbadon the despoiler
40x cultists
2x aspiring champions
5x possessed space marines
2x CSM Daemon Prince
5x CSM Terminators
1x Warpsmith
3x Obliterators
1x Helldrake
5x Havocs
1x CSM Rhino
3x Bikers
1x Hellbrute

DG:
1x Typhus
2x Lords of Contagion
1x Malignant Plaguecaster
1x Nurgle Daemon Prince
1x Noxious Blightbringer
1x Bloat Drone
18x Plague Marines
42x Poxwalkers

The first thing I noticed is that your Berzerkers have 10 bodies, you might want to drop that to 9 so Kharn can ride with them.

I was concerned about that. Wasnt sure if he could ride with them. Thanks

You need to revisit the points you have paid for this list. Any gear a model comes with still has to be paid for.

For example the foetid bloat drone comes in at like 158 once you have paid for the plaguespitters and plague probe that come default on the equipment. As well with the rhino it has a mandatory combi-bolter making it 72 points minimum instead of 70.

Oh, ok. Thanks for letting me know. I thought default weapons were included in the base price. That makes more sense though. Alright, I'll come up with a new list and edit my first post sometime today. I appreciate the feedback.

Couple other things to note. Your termies cant be troops as far as im aware they have the elite icon. Also in the reverse if you are running your berserkers as world eaters they become troops instead of elites.

I also wanted to ask if the tournament is allowing the codexes because chaos space marines drops this week and while its unlikely to update any death guard points it may change the points costs of your csm models and give other bonuses to think about like +1 attack on the charge for world eaters.

Just called in. They said they are allowing the codexes. You just have to base your entire army around either the codex or the index. so a CSM army based on the codex is allowed to battle another CSM army based on the index. As long as they are fully based on their respective books.

Ah right does that mean you cant use the DG stuff then if you were to use the CSM Codex?

The chaos codex isn't actually available in my area until this weekend so Im probably going to base it on the index anyways. Just putting together an army list now. Having a hard time with point values for special weapons like Kharns Gorechild and Typhus' Manreaper. Do I just count them as a Chainaxe and a Plaguereaper?

The points for Kharn and Typhus are all in thier unit entry. If you look at the top of each unit column it'll say points per model. Underneath that it states whether the units points include the wargear cost or if they dont.

Finished my edits on the list. New one is up there. Thank you, Nugleforlife and Sick Bag for your feedback. You have taught me much.

Liking the upgrades to the list, if you do drop the obliterators heldrake is a good choice. It can fly right up the board and charge problem units turn 1 so they cant shoot in thier next turn. I also like Havocs with lascannons as an option. Anything that lets you shut down enemy tanks really.

Switched out the Obliterators for a Helldrake. Was thinking of switching the terminators for Havocs with Lascanons and Cultists or a daemon prince with cultists or wings. They would do a better job holding objectives away from the close combat.

How would you counter this army? High mobility? Heavy anti-infantry units?

I like the first one the most.

Thanks Nurgleforlife

Interesting lists. I think I am stuck between the 1st and the 2nd.

Any reason you have Kharn? I would possibly drop him, or replace him with a Chaos lord just for the buff. To me he is a bit underwhelming for his points.

Anyway, I would potentially do the third list with some modifications...
-Drop Kharn entirely, use the Daemon Prince to buff your Berserkers.
-Try to squeeze in your terminators, or better yet another Heldrake (if possible).

1 heldrake at 1500 points will be a big target, while a good thing considering you will be rushing beserkers at the enemy, I think if you could fit another (i know you don't have a second model though) that could make a world of difference.

Basically you would have a rhino full of beserkers, Daemon Prince, 2 Heldrakes all rushing your opponent. This would force them to prioritize, and subsequently confuse them!

I run something like this at 1.5k:
-DP w/ Wings, Sword, Khorne
-Beserkers 9x with Chainswords & Axes
-Rhino
-2x Heldrake, Flamers
-5 man Bike Squad, 2x Plasma, Sgt with Power Maul, 2x with Chainswords
DG
-Typhus
-20x Poxwalkers
-Bloat Drone

tried to squeeze in another Drone, but no luck. Basically gives my opponent an issue when prioritizing targets. The two heldrakes are a pain in it of themselves. Then the rhino full of rage comes, with the DP close behind. While my bikes run up the sides and tackle armor along with the Drone. Also by the time the first melee is over, Typhus and his S4, T4 Poxwalkers are rolling up...

Big problem with both your lists is the lack of CP, you only jave 3CP in each of your lists which is not enough if you want to use the new strategems.

My suggestion would be to get your hands on a 2nd rhino and use more of those berzerkers.

Ok, I dont really want to buy any more units. Another Helldrake would be cool though. Thanks for the feedback How about this list then?

CSM/DG Fourth Choice (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [85 PL, 1500pts]
(Chaos - Death Guard) [36 PL, 623pts]
HQ:
Typhus [9 PL, 164pts]
Gift of Contagion, Miasma of Pestilence
Troops
Plague Marines [7 PL, 119pts]
Plague Champion
Boltgun and Bolt pistol, Plague knife
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon
Blight launcher
3x Plague Marines
Poxwalkers [6 PL, 102pts]
17x Poxwalker
Elites
Noxious Blightbringer [4 PL, 80pts]
Plasma pistol
Fast Attack
Foetid Bloat-drone [10 PL, 158pts]
Plague probe, 2x Plaguespitter
Unbound Army (Faction) (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [49 PL, 877pts]
HQ
Daemon Prince with Wings [11 PL, 212pts]
Hellforged sword, Khorne
Elites
Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 206pts]
Mark of Khorne
Chaos Terminator Champion
Combi-bolter, Power axe
Terminator
Combi-bolter, Power axe
Terminator
Combi-bolter, Power axe
Terminator
Combi-bolter, Power axe
Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon
Power axe, Reaper autocannon
Khorne Berzerkers [10 PL, 170pts]
Berzerker Champion
Chainaxe, Chainsword
9x Chainsword and Chainaxe
9x Chainaxe
Flyer
Heldrake [10 PL, 215pts]
Baleflamer, Heldrake claws, Mark of Khorne
Dedicated Transport
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]
Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Made it with Battlescribe, Pretty useful. I like the idea of running more berzerkers and another Rhino. But that would mean Id have to cast some chainswords and chainaxes, and they're hard to cast. Shoulders are a different story. Though I want to find a good way to cast them in the future anyways... I also worry about having some range and ability to capture objectives. So I thought Squeezing in the terminators was a good idea. IDK really about the new stratagems or command points. Ill do some research on it tomorrow haha. Why drop the plague marines. Are they not worth the points?