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[Post New] 2017/08/12 22:59:44
    Subject: Khârn's "The Betrayer" Rule
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Gargantuan Gargant





I want to start by saying that this is one of those super lucky times when we can say without any sort of ambiguity that this is NOT the intent of the rule in question.

"The Betrayer: You cannot re-roll or modify hit rolls of 1 made for Khârn the Betrayer in the Fight phase. Instead, those attacks automatically hit a friendly unit within 1". Randomly determine which unit is hit if there is more than one. If there are no friendly units within 1" of Khârn, the hits are discarded."

Notice the problem? It hits a Friendly Unit within 1". Khârn himself is a friendly unit within 1" as per the rules for Auras in the Rulebook. Rules as Written, rolls of 1 can never be discarded and instead cause Khârn to punch himself.

Not posted in YMDC because this isn't so much a rules question as a "look at GW being silly again" thread.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/12 23:00:59

Disclaimer: My YMDC answers are from a "What the rules, as written in the rulebook, actually say" perspective, not a "What I wish the rules said" perspective.
Because some people get their knickers in a twist, I'll list these RaW 'oddities' in my sig. Sadly GW's promise of fixing their broken rules has itself been broken. RaW you cannot advance and then fire assault weapons, you can't shoot pistols if within 1" of an enemy; "minimum" ranges don't work; Seraphim have to re-roll saves that "fail" pre-re-roll; the game simply breaks if you ever have more than one wounded model in a unit; the game also breaks if a single rule ever tries to do multiple things simultaneously; Khârn punches himself in the face if he's not near some meatshields; Librarians on Bikes are locked to the Index power list, Howling Banshees can't declare a charge further than 12"; Spore Mines have an infinite range; Shroudpsalm technically doesn't do anything, only enemy models, not friendly models, have permission to move on top of a Skyshield Landing Pad; T'au have access to stackable Ignore Wounds (albeit against Mortal Wounds only); the T'au Early Warning Override Support System only works if a unit is "teleporting to the battlefield", not just arriving mid-battle; you can only ever use the Deathwatch Teleportarium Stratagem "once", and then never again in any battle after you use it; if a model splits fire, each weapon must target a different unit; a Tyrant Guard with Lashwhip can absorb an infinite amount of damage via Shieldwall between the time they die and the time they fight; Chapter Tactics on Successor Chapters don't actually do anything; Codex Leman Russ's can take an infinite amount of Hunter-Killer Missiles, Storm Bolters and Heavy Stubbers; Imothekh's 'Lord of the Storm' ability hits the "target unit" twice; "Airborne" units can't be charged by non-FLY units, but can be Heroically Intervened into, piled into, or consolidated into just fine by non-FLY units; Wave Serpents cannot be legally charged at by any model with a standard base; and Slab Shields, along with the 'Take Cover!' stratagem no longer have any effect.
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[Post New] 2017/08/12 23:09:59
    Subject: Khârn's "The Betrayer" Rule
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator






Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.

Ah, so rather than posting it in the relevant forum to be clarified and discussed (as it's pretty obvious what they intended) you decided to post here as yet another part of your Anti-8th Edition Crusade where you gripe about everything and anything.

Gotcha!


Now only a CSM/Dark Mech player. 
   
[Post New] 2017/08/12 23:27:18
    Subject: Khârn's "The Betrayer" Rule
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness






Svalarheima, MA

Seems kinda YMDC-y to me.

Just remember the rules of the subforum - and of the site - yes?
Nil nos tremefacit.
 
   
[Post New] 2017/08/12 23:28:01
    Subject: Khârn's "The Betrayer" Rule
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Gargantuan Gargant





 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Ah, so rather than posting it in the relevant forum to be clarified and discussed (as it's pretty obvious what they intended) you decided to post here as yet another part of your Anti-8th Edition Crusade where you gripe about everything and anything.

Gotcha!
Soothe your mammeries. I didn't post it in YMDC because it wasn't a rules question. I freaking love 8th edition, warts and all. But since it's moved here, so be it.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/12 23:28:31

Disclaimer: My YMDC answers are from a "What the rules, as written in the rulebook, actually say" perspective, not a "What I wish the rules said" perspective.
Because some people get their knickers in a twist, I'll list these RaW 'oddities' in my sig. Sadly GW's promise of fixing their broken rules has itself been broken. RaW you cannot advance and then fire assault weapons, you can't shoot pistols if within 1" of an enemy; "minimum" ranges don't work; Seraphim have to re-roll saves that "fail" pre-re-roll; the game simply breaks if you ever have more than one wounded model in a unit; the game also breaks if a single rule ever tries to do multiple things simultaneously; Khârn punches himself in the face if he's not near some meatshields; Librarians on Bikes are locked to the Index power list, Howling Banshees can't declare a charge further than 12"; Spore Mines have an infinite range; Shroudpsalm technically doesn't do anything, only enemy models, not friendly models, have permission to move on top of a Skyshield Landing Pad; T'au have access to stackable Ignore Wounds (albeit against Mortal Wounds only); the T'au Early Warning Override Support System only works if a unit is "teleporting to the battlefield", not just arriving mid-battle; you can only ever use the Deathwatch Teleportarium Stratagem "once", and then never again in any battle after you use it; if a model splits fire, each weapon must target a different unit; a Tyrant Guard with Lashwhip can absorb an infinite amount of damage via Shieldwall between the time they die and the time they fight; Chapter Tactics on Successor Chapters don't actually do anything; Codex Leman Russ's can take an infinite amount of Hunter-Killer Missiles, Storm Bolters and Heavy Stubbers; Imothekh's 'Lord of the Storm' ability hits the "target unit" twice; "Airborne" units can't be charged by non-FLY units, but can be Heroically Intervened into, piled into, or consolidated into just fine by non-FLY units; Wave Serpents cannot be legally charged at by any model with a standard base; and Slab Shields, along with the 'Take Cover!' stratagem no longer have any effect.
--- Mathhammer tables for 2D6 and 3D6 Charging with various re-roll abilities --- Stylus CSS theme for DakkaDakka forums to hide black avatar background and fully hide ignored users. --- 
   
[Post New] 2017/08/13 12:50:55
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This isn't an aura. And if they wanted it to effect himself they would not have said "if there are no friendly units within 1" ignore" they would have said "if there are no friendly units within 1 he hits himself".

This isn't an issue unless someone wants to try and make it one as far as I can see.
   
[Post New] 2017/08/13 16:19:19
    Subject: Khârn's "The Betrayer" Rule
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought





Cardiff

Agree it's not an Aura.
 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
[Post New] 2017/08/13 21:15:03
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It must be an ability to be a Aura. This is an attack not an ability. So you simply follow the written rules for it, and not the Aura rules.
   
 
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