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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 15:24:19
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
Ireland
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Hey all, just a quick question I had from the new Chaos Space Marines codex. I think this is ok but I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.
Can you use the Chaos Familiar Stratagem to replace an Aspiring Sorcerer's Smite with a spell from the Dark Hereticus Discipline?
I believe it is ok as the Chaos Familiar strat requires you use it on a Hereticus Astartes Psyker, the Rubric Marine unit has both those tags.
The wording says you can replace any power with a power from the Dark Hereticus discipline, and the Aspiring Sorcerer knows Smite.
The only reason I ask is that while it's somewhat costly, costing 1 CP, it does seem like the intent may have been to limit these units (arguably this could apply to the Scarab Occult units from the Index too) and I'm unsure if there is something which stops you from essentially unlearning Smite.
EDIT: Sorry meant to post this to YMDC
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/14 15:25:27
By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 17:08:16
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's a heretic astartes model, with psyker keyword and has a psychic power it can exchange.
So yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 17:14:32
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Norn Queen
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If it has the keywords, it can use the stratagem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 17:46:20
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
Ireland
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Thanks guys. I wanted to sanity check this before I pull this out in a game. Might still run it by my opponents ahead of a game, I'm not sure why but it doesn't seem right, though I can't find any reason why it wouldn't work.
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By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 18:17:46
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think this is an auto-take stratagem for Thousand Sons armies. Aspiring Sorcerers can actually be useful!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 19:46:53
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Weird . . But seems legit.
Wouldn't be possible for scarab occult.
P156, "note that death guard and Thousand Sons... Cannot make use of any of the rules or abilities in this section ".
This includes all the strategems, which are special to chaos space Marine codex entries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 19:58:59
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
Ireland
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Captyn_Bob wrote:Weird . . But seems legit.
Wouldn't be possible for scarab occult.
P156, "note that death guard and Thousand Sons... Cannot make use of any of the rules or abilities in this section ".
This includes all the strategems, which are special to chaos space Marine codex entries.
I assumed based off the Warhammer Community post that came with the Index Chaos FAQ that Magnus, Scarab Occult and the Exalted Sorcerers could use the expanded Dark Hereticus Psychic Powers:
Secondly, if you’re a Thousand Sons player, you may have noticed that the Dark Hereticus discipline in the new codex is larger than the one in the Index. Don’t worry – the discipline isn’t being replaced and you won’t need to get Codex: Chaos Space Marines to keep using it. Similarly, if you have Codex: Chaos Space Marines, you’re welcome to use the expanded Dark Hereticus powers with your Thousand Sons Psykers.
Source
Though there is no mention of the same in the FAQ (I guess they want you to buy the codex to get the powers) so I guess RAW that passage you mentioned would trump this.
Still though I thought Scarab Occult Terminators with the ability to self cast Weaver of Fates for a possible 3++ against 1 Damage attacks would be nice.
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By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 21:08:13
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They can use dark hereticus discipline, but no CSM strategems
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/14 21:10:35
Subject: Chaos Familiar Stratagem and Rubric Marines Aspiring Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
Ireland
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By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos
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