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So For my first army I want soomething effetcive in 7/8th edition, but not a real serious build....

I Wanna be able to resit to the new adeptus mechanicus armies.

Having blastnoises. dreadnaughts, a gak loads of cultist and chaos terminators, lots of thems. Mark teench metal one or two long range reaper canon, some combi flamers/heavyflamer. + the twinbolt... But mostly melta for the 7th edition, just to enlarge the anus of predators......

I want this army to also last...... So I know I am a noob but I am interested in sorcerers.... I know but still it is fine if I give them mark of tzeench + terminator armor, so I won't loose them easly or udner-use them.....

How many sorcerer can I take? (Don't know all the rules just fan of the universe..... And DoW I and II.) Because I wnat to focus sorcerer not chaos prince or anything...
Shoudl I take arhiman?


I am not against using noise mariens and rubrix mariens, with grafs grenades too but in small quantity, wanna have cultists in great number and really heavy hitters.

How can I equip my cultist? Should I give them some power weapons? How many? Can I do that?

The noise marines? The sonic dread?

I also want to focus marx of tzeench, the mak of slaanesh. I want to focus range iwth my terms. and have my sorcer being polyvalent terms.....

I also feel that with mechaniccus SM are not viable anymore......... The horde of the mechanicus is jsut too god-damn good + the gravitational guns.. It is just rape....
A bad dice roll on the SM and it dead. With horde no real bad dice rolls....
But if my cultist are just here to soak up dammage for my term and dread.... They are no really taht wort it......
I want them to soak up dammage deal dammage, and support......

I don't really want titans, to me terms and dread are good enufff heavy hitters.....
I want to focus more on tactical control......

Any advice..?

Pick Noise Marines or Rubrics and go with that to start.

Noise Marines are a lot cheaper points-wise than Rubrics. While I don't play TSons and can't compare directly, my understanding is the Noise Marines are more effective as well.

With regards to cultists, how do you want to equip them? The shooty weapons are not very useful, they are more about large numbers of hits in assault. But there's no reason you have to do things that way.

Use loyalist rules for Chaos Marines unless you plan on using daemons.

I really want to be able to play on the long run.. And Yes I planned using pink horrors....

Victory often lie in close combat but DPS reside in range, I love to have some deep strike or jump gak in my army in DoW....

Yep noise marien are better, but rubrix have mark of tzeench + 4 invul save..... They are effective from a good range have a nice accuracy and AP, and are a bit more flexible i you want to push.... Noise marine are more static.... + I really want to have some frag grenade, and an escort to ariman if I take him...

But I wanna know for command points is it good to have multiple leaders? I mean I don't really want to invest my point in a daemon prince, it is a really weak uber unit in my opinion,it is stronger than a sorcerer, but the sorcerer is a really stong unit compared to SM or Terms, and do bring a lot of tacticla flexibility...
I am not really confident on the fact I do udnertsand how warp work, but I wanna take as much "mana" as possible. I really want the wind of magic behind my back



Back to rubric and noise I kinda want a 5/4 rubric marine squad... and 2 or 4 3 noise marine suad...
And sonic dread.......
I figure out that noise marine would be more usefull but rubric have their charm too..... I have seen a suad of rubric take on vindicar assassin no problem.... With 8th edition betetr have those when facing imperials....

Also I am interested in the overpriced blastmaster To transform my noices mariens in an arty piece..... rule about the blaste master in 8 edition are just so OMG !


I want to use sorcerers as cheap land raider beacons, and maybe just maybe invest in an obliterator squad....


"With regards to cultists, how do you want to equip them? The shooty weapons are not very useful, they are more about large numbers of hits in assault. But there's no reason you have to do things that way."

Except maybe some grenade launcher, yess I expect my cultist to go assault, I was just wondering if it was possible to give them a few power weapons to one or two suads....
I really want the expandable unnit to go in melle and save the heavy hitter for range combat.
I mean it would be nice to have a frontline so I can deap strike my terms behind it and be like TASTE HEAVY FLAMER AND COMBI FLAMER
Then have art shelling the ennemy that is why I want to invest in blastnoises..... So I fight on my terms.....
+ Swarm are great at taking objective (unless they see a flamer)


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can I have a combi weapon + a melee one?

1) it sounds like you need to get the Chaos Index or the new CSM Codex to answer quite a few of your questions.

2) There's a long Chaos tactics thread here on Dakka - "8th Edition Chaos Tactica" - that will probably be instructive on what people have tried and how it has worked out.

3) there's also a Thousand Sons-specific tactics thread with a title of "All is Dust" - that might help with your sorcerer/rubric questions

Anyway you can have a lot of fun in casual games with almost anything chaos and certain combinations and tactics will jump right out at you. For competitive games the options narrow down a bit but even there the game is so new that there is not really a settled argument on what is good. With codexes and FAQ's mixing things up every few weeks it's not likely to settle down for a while.

Indeed, but since today the most play edition in my gaming club is 8 AND 7... You cna go play iwtha 8th eidtion and a 7th eidtion in the same night.

Keep that in mind....

Like in 7th edition my blastnoise are overpriced, in 8th they are a really cheap and efefctive arty unit.
In 7th my combi melta temrs are reall good, they can deep strike and O.K a predator really easly...
In 8th they are just O.K ANti vehicule that can dela with infantry.


2 it is about daemon chaos..... Altho to be faire I did consider taking horrors....

WTF? EACH SPElL CAN ONLY BE CASTED ONCE IN 8TH?

Eeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrffffffffffffffffff................... Humhumhum goting to get complicated...

Erf I would like to have arhiman, because you know Meatlshield swarm of cultists + deep strike etrminators and sorcerers...... Just to take down costly units in a blieztkrieg way, and psaming doombolt sounded nice but hey....
But 8th eidtion is eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrff........ With the assassin spam on 8th erf it is not really that worth it....
If I could get the rule for the blastnoise of 8th in 7th...

Still I can wreck IG army in 7th.

But in 8 my term wreck gak... SOCERER TERMINATOR IT IS !