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Ok, so the World Eaters legion trait says:

When a unit with this trait makes a successful charge, you can make one additional attack with each of its models in the subsequent Fight phase.

The berzerker rule states:

This unit can fight twice in each Fight phase instead of only once.

The question is, does charging with 'zerkers grant ONE additional attack, or one for each time the unit attacks (which would be +2 standard, +3 with the stratagem).

On the face of it, I'm inclined to say it's only +1, because i) the wording seems explicit enough and ii) other rules (such as chainsword) explicitly say it's +1 attack each time the bearer attacks.

But, BUT. FAQ 1.0 states:

Q. If a unit has an ability that allows it to fight twice in the Fight phase (e.g. Berzerkers), at what point during the Fight phase do they fight for the second time?
A. Treat each time the unit is able to fight as a separate unit selected to fight for all purposes.

Even though this particular FAQ originally dealt with a different question, the answer seems to be relevant here. If every time a unit fights it counts as a different unit, then you would in fact get the +1 attack bonus each time, wouldn't you?

Thoughts?

Extra attack each time they fight.

- Did they Charge?
- Is it the subsequent Fight Phase?
- Are they fighting? (they can do this multiple times most likely)
- If yes to all the above +1 attack!

Nothing to do with 'being a different unit' (it isn't), all to do reading and applying the rules logically.

I agree that the wording seems to describe them not getting an extra for each activation but only one extra attack for the phase but that doesn't seem to have been their intent.

While the wording is sloppy, there isn't really any other way to parse it other than it meaning they get +1A whenever they fight, because the only time things fight is when using the fight rules.

Fighting twice during the Fight Phase doesn't prevent it from still being the Fighting Phase.

It is easy to think on Phases in terms of a time-line, the sequence within informing us the start and end point on that timeline. Rules that 'activate' during this period of time will always be in effect as long as we can answer 'yes' to the question 'is it the X Phase?' There are even Rules that call out specific points with the Phase, such as 'start of...,' that further reinforce our ability to picture a timeline and specific points on said timeline. Additionally other Rules have informed us of a 'one per phase' limitation, which works well with the time-line format. Given the lack of a 'once per phase' limitation within the +1 Attack Rule, I believe the Author intended for units that fight multiple times a Phase to benefit multiple times.

The 'fight as a separate unit selected' is about the 'selecting' for fight sequencing. If it charged, it still normally fights twice before any non-charging units. It's so that after fighting the first time it can be interrupted by a strategem for example before it can fight the 2nd time. It's not a different unit, that would be just bizarre.

This also means that it piles in etc each time its selected to fight. Their particular ability means the unit can be selected twice per fight phase, instead of the usual once (thrice if you use the strategem too of course)

As long as the unit meets the criteria for the +1 attack per model - i.e. it's the following fight phase from its charge, it gets it every time it fights.

Berzerkers are just scary now - wish my death company were half as nasty!

The reason it's being brought up is because it doesn't say "you get +1 attack FOR the phase". Unfortunately, the wording says you get an additional attack IN the phase. If you fight twice, then you've made two additional attacks in the phase.

I haven't seen anyone say they believe that's the intent yet though.

So as an additional question regarding that activation, do they get two consolidation moves if they manage to wipe two units with their two activations? Or is consolidation handled at the very last step of the fight phase and not as part of a units last activation step?

The rules for consolidation apply to each activation in the fight phase. So, should a unit wipe out another, it would be able to consolidate. I see no reason why an additional consolidation would not happen.

That said... something to remember is attacks can only be launched against units that were actually charged. You can't just consolidate into an inch of another unit after the first activation and expect to attack.

Let's say those Berzerkers were in combat with a conscript squad and the combat lasted 2 turns. They could consolidate within 1 inch of another unit at the end of the first activation, but would not be able to attack until the next round.

Please correct me if I am wrong here.

I read it the same way. I will post a general consolidation question to the main board.