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With the start of 8th edition I'm contemplating returning to 40k, I haven't played at all since early 6th edition and I'm wondering what army might suit me. I'm not looking for uber-competitive but I would like a decently strong list, my player circle certainly isn't "cheesy"
I'm not a massive mech-head, I generally enjoy more psychic-based armies but nor do I particularly enjoy hordes. The idea of vanilla marines bores me a lot but Space Wolves are more appealing. I generally favor small, elite forces whose units synch together well. Overwhelming ranged power/artillery is appealing but similarly I enjoy combat focussed armies as well. Right now I have a couple of armies I am considering:

Eldar wraithguard/wraithknight+psyker support list
Dark Eldar, I loved the beastar but I'm guessing that is no longer as powerful? (my main 6th edition army)
Necrons, are Ctan still viable? I'm completely out of the loop but the nightbringer model is my favorite in the game
Nid monster/genestealer based list
Khorne Daemonkin/Tzeentch daemons

Can anyone make a case to sway me/provide some information?
Thanks

Ynnari let's you play both Eldar and Deldar with the added bonus of small elite forces that synch together with a focus on a psychic based army. Can't really speak about the rest, but my friend was building Ynnari, so I know at least this much.

Interesting, that's actually pretty perfect. Those are my two favourite factions and both have aspects I'd like to incorporate. Is Ynnari an independent faction or is it simply the two factions combined together in a similar manner to the Eternity Host in End Times?

BaconUprising wrote:
Interesting, that's actually pretty perfect. Those are my two favourite factions and both have aspects I'd like to incorporate. Is Ynnari an independent faction or is it simply the two factions combined together in a similar manner to the Eternity Host in End Times?

Ynnari is the worst of contemporary forty k narrative. Truly appalling. Such an insult could only arise in the context that allowed people to put craft world eldar in dark eldar transports for the WAAC win. Simply ick.

I like the first entry in your list. Lots of painting and modeling potential. Small and elite tough as nails. Psyker strong. Seems right up your alley. Plus could add some of those sweet newer bike models and later add some harlequins if you want... Maybe even exodites if they get attention. And at least not break with common sense and ally dark eldar with craftworlders...

If you like synergy, you made a good choice of coming back now. The game has become much more focussed on that, with most HQ's having been toned down in individual power while granting aura buffs to units around them.

Death stars aren't as pervalent anymore becausebyou can't put characters in units anymore and so far most factions don't have relics (so no ridiculous buffing).

Eldar wraith army is basically what you describe. Small, elite force and psychic support is not only possible but desirable.

Deldar don't have psykers and are rather fragile.

Ynnari is a new faction consisting of a bunch of Eldar and Deldar units combined. Basically they're people from both factions that tore off of their respective faction and worship the revival of the eldar death god.

Necrons are a horde army this edition based on the fact that HQs give out a buff to 1 unit a turn rather than all units around them + the way reanimation protocol works;it's all about those 20-man blobs. C'tan are surprisingly not bad tough.

Haven't played nids but if you like genestealers, they now have a seperate dex for genestealer cults. They can be build either horde or elite and have psykers.

I haven't seen any daemon armies but I did use pink horrors in my 1K sons army. They're quite good but I'll probably stick to my 1K sons.

Hmmm, is there any fluff justification for running DE with Eldar? I remember some old Daemon lore where a daemon army was defeated by Eldar who were saved by DE support protecting a bunch of webway portals. I LOVE the DE models and some of their rules look like a lot of fun. I'm not keen to run Ynnari if they're such an utter Matt Wardian perversion of 40k lore.
There's so much of both the Eldar/DE roster I'd love to use...and harlequins seem badass now

BaconUprising wrote:
Hmmm, is there any fluff justification for running DE with Eldar? I remember some old Daemon lore where a daemon army was defeated by Eldar who were saved by DE support protecting a bunch of webway portals. I LOVE the DE models and some of their rules look like a lot of fun. I'm not keen to run Ynnari if they're such an utter Matt Wardian perversion of 40k lore.
There's so much of both the Eldar/DE roster I'd love to use...and harlequins seem badass now

Ynnari are fine fluff wise, their arrival has basically caused all sorts of conflict amongst the Aeldari factions and depending on where you stand are either the races best chance for survival or irredemable Daemon worshipers.

You asked about Beastpacks, they can be fun if a little spammy now. The old 5th/6thed style Beast star is long gone, the 4 models that made up the pack have been split up into indavidual units so the Beastmaster is a fairly survivable character (which means he can't be targeted for shooting unless he's the closest model to the firing unit) which is good because he gives out re-rolls to hit to all Beasts whithin 6" and they can use his Leadership for moral checks (vital given how low beasts LD tends to be). Clawed Fiends pack a really hefty punch whilst Razorwing Flocks are a decent chaff unit thats good for screening the rest of your force. Khymeara unfortunatly aren't survivable enough to work as a screening unit and don't have the damage output to back up Clawed Fiends. If you've already got the models for an old school Beaststar then you could probably run a good strong beast pack in 8th, not super competative but good enough that you could certainly have plenty of fun with it.

That's a shame to hear, I used to run a variance of the traditional beast star with 2 units of Khymeara/Razorwings with baron pinging between them+large wrack unit for threat overload. I like fast, hard hitting multi-threat armies mostly. While an Eldar wraith army would be a lot of fun and great from a painting/modelling perspective, they lack that. Although I've heard wave serpent+wraithblades+SfD is nasty nasty business, wraith builds seem more conducive to a shooty army though. I don't know, i guess i need to check out the dex's better before i can make a decision.

I'm just not a fan of the Ynnari models...plus Yvraine+Word of the Phoenix seems silly.

I got back in last month.doing chaos daemons,starting with nurgle

BaconUprising wrote:
Hmmm, is there any fluff justification for running DE with Eldar? I remember some old Daemon lore where a daemon army was defeated by Eldar who were saved by DE support protecting a bunch of webway portals. I LOVE the DE models and some of their rules look like a lot of fun. I'm not keen to run Ynnari if they're such an utter Matt Wardian perversion of 40k lore.
There's so much of both the Eldar/DE roster I'd love to use...and harlequins seem badass now

there's nothing wrong with Ynnari, Jeff White doesn't like em but that's just his opinion. Ynnari are NEW and thus perhaps not fully developed. they have yet to even get their own codex

BaconUprising wrote:
That's a shame to hear, I used to run a variance of the traditional beast star with 2 units of Khymeara/Razorwings with baron pinging between them+large wrack unit for threat overload. I like fast, hard hitting multi-threat armies mostly. While an Eldar wraith army would be a lot of fun and great from a painting/modelling perspective, they lack that. Although I've heard wave serpent+wraithblades+SfD is nasty nasty business, wraith builds seem more conducive to a shooty army though. I don't know, i guess i need to check out the dex's better before i can make a decision.

I'm just not a fan of the Ynnari models...plus Yvraine+Word of the Phoenix seems silly.

Beastpacks are actually a lot more flexible in how you run them now, especially since the Beastmaster is an elite choice and can take a Beast unit with him that doesn't take up an FOC slot.

Wraithblades are viable for the first time ever this edition (though I'd avoid the axe and shield loadout, far less reliable in actually scoring the wounds even though they can potentially do more damage) and Wraithblades/guard in Wave Serpants is defintiely a fast moving and hard hitting army.

Ynnari can be really strong.
I play them with Wraithguard w/ D-scythes and Fire Dragons in Serpents supported by Jetbikers and Guardian Defenders.

BaconUprising wrote:
Hmmm, is there any fluff justification for running DE with Eldar?

Even before the Ynnari, the mood appeared to be that while the different Eldar factions are don't trust each other, they are quite likely to ally against a common enemy out of shared racial heritage.

You can get a summary of the Ynnari backstory below. If you want more detail, pick up "Fracture of Biel Tan". They trigger the plotline that GW have been fermenting for years that the Eldar are cooking up an new God of the Dead (Ynnead) in the infinity circuits of the Craftworlds as a last hope of avoiding She Who Thirsts.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/717304.page

Thank you all so much for the help
I shall take a look and see if the Ynnari are for me