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I am very disappointed with the 8th edition chaos release. At the very least I expected a new chaos marine box, a new cultist kit with new options, an obliterator/mutilator box, and some more new special characters. I hoped for a havoks/chosen box, new noise marines and berzerkers, and terminators. It is abundantly clear that none of that is happening. Initially I thought that a World Eater and Emperor's Children codex were imminent, but now I am not so sure. The codex is disappointing. Nothing new really. Not even cover art. The Alpha Legion fluff is ridiculous. The "Splintered Sentients"? What? The "Serpentine Scourge"? Its so damn stupid. "...the arts of the infil-traitor". Great. Our fluff is just puns now. How do these fething huge and beastly armor wearing 8 foot tall chaos marines sneak around your army? Well they use the art of the infil-traitor. Get it? because they're traitors. New inductees will wear the scaly cloaks of their fallen brothers because they attract sniper fire. The rest is not much better. Every single rank and file solider has some god awful silly damn title, like the "Bringer of the Seven Fungal Forests" when he looks like "chaos marine with bolt pistol and chainsword". I am not making these up by the way. "Chaos Marine with bolter" is apparently "The Destroyer of Dreams, first blade of the Misericordians". Eh....I did not really like the aesthetic of the forge fiends and hell drakes, but I have made my peace with them. I just want plastic characters and no FineCrap, new chaos marines, and new cultists. And of course the obliterator/mutilator box. Forget the fact that mutilators should have NEVER been made in the first place. The models are crap and they are FailCrap to boot! I was so sure that when Thousand Sons got tzagors AND cultists that chaos marines would get a new and awesome cultist box. One that the Alpha Legion or Word Bearers would be proud to employ. Nope. Stuck with that shotgun. Bah. Sorry to be just another chaos whiner. I guess if you want to play an updated chaos faction then Death Guard or Thousand Sons are it. I'm waiting for Emperor's Children.

EDIT: So I guess the chaos cultists were for AoS not 40k. They should have just thrown in autopistols for pete's sake.

..Is this just entirely a rant post or is it intended for actual conversation?

OK, you are disappointed with fluff and models. I can understand this, but the GW strategy right now is to make new codices in 8th as fast as possible (not least because it is a license to print money as everyone will have to buy the books at £30 a go). I don't think new models will be a priority till late next year when hopefully most of the codices will be out.

Any thoughts on the rules, balance and playability of the army in the new codex?

You seem salty, OP.

There doesn't seem to be anything to discuss here, let alone an assessment. Mostly seems like OP convinced himself there'd be a whole model release for the Codex and decided to rant about it.

Seems like the modeling side of GW's production teams is focused on finishing out the new SMs (Primaris in particular), Tsons, and DG. Who knows where they will focus after, beyond some preliminary rumors. GW is mostly focused on getting all the Codices out - and 1-2 Codices a month is a pretty crazy production cycle for a company that usually did 1-2 Codices a year.

Well, given the topic. I'm actually quite happy for my Emperor's Children. Sure I didn't get any new models but having everything sonic be usable and decent is nice compared to the awful salvo rules. And they even buffed up our DoomSirens to D6 instead of D3 without changing the cost, while reducing the cost on Blastmasters! Forgeworld even came out with rules for Sonic Dreads/Helbrutes so I can have my cake and eat it too.

Such incredible savings.

I have to say I'm overall pretty pleased with the book. I like most of the options offered (a few still struggle), there is enough character in each legion to feel suitably unique, and it looks like its in a solid place on the power curve. Right now I'm actually playing with a 20 man CSM squad with BP/CCW in a Renegade detachment and just advancing a big blob of PA towards my opponent. It has been pretty entertaining if spotty in its effectiveness.

I'd also like to add that I really enjoy the trumped up titles for individual marines - it adds to the flair of being evil knights in space. They aren't just squad member one but instead have titles and duties that fit their role as a part of a warband. Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines are most interesting to me when each guy is a character and when they play more to the fantasy portions of their origin.

Scratch build them from MkIII's, all my Plague Marines are converted this way with FW shoulder pads and a few champion heads, and 30K heavy weapons for the havocs.

CSM are ripe for hobbying - half the fun!

While it was crap not getting new models the rules themselves are way better.
Some really strong stuff in the dex. Cant really complain.

Now model wise a lot of the chaos line is old. New models to replace them will take time to bring up inline with chosen, raptors etc. Plus the inevitable chaos primaris

@GhostRecon
Do you have any thing original to say? It seems you just parroted Cheeselord....yeah I am not very focused on the rules as I refuse to buy an 8e rulebook before the release of a new chaos marine kit...sorry to seem so salty, I am not a WAAC player. I don't care how good the rules seem without a viable physical army. I have collected since rouge trader and my idea of the Alpha Legion is different than more recent players.

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
@GhostRecon
Do you have any thing original to say? It seems you just parroted Cheeselord....yeah I am not very focused on the rules as I refuse to buy an 8e rulebook before the release of a new chaos marine kit...sorry to seem so salty, I am not a WAAC player. I don't care how good the rules seem without a viable physical army. I have collected since rouge trader and my idea of the Alpha Legion is different than more recent players.

If you've collected since Rogue trader I'm not really sure what you are complaining about. You should be used to create your own Chaos stuff and should have a large enough army to play everything you want. The good thing about the codex is that it makes most units decent, unlike 4th-6th edition and this doesn't have anything to do with WAAC. If your idea of Alpha Legion is different, so what? Unlike the 3.5 codex this one doesn't force you in any direction, you can use any models you like and still be Alpha Legion.
Also, the basic CSM box isn't that bad. Yes it's old, yes it lacks weapon options, but it's still a nice start and has many bits to play around with. Other (newer) alternatives have been mentioned already. We Chaos players are just making the mistake of comparing us to loyalist SM too often .

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
@GhostRecon
I have collected since rouge trader and my idea of the Alpha Legion is different than more recent players.

Hating the fluff of the Alpha Legion because it doesn't fit your headcannon is a rather poor (and silly) argument.

We all agree the model line is old. But as others have said - half the fun of CSM is modelling. You have reasonable priced MKIII/IV power armour marines available for kitbashing, that's what many have done.

But no, instead of finding a work around or using what's available, you went full "Slug Armageddon" on us, crying you won't buy a book because "it's not what YOU wanted."

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
@GhostRecon
Do you have any thing original to say? It seems you just parroted Cheeselord....yeah I am not very focused on the rules as I refuse to buy an 8e rulebook before the release of a new chaos marine kit...sorry to seem so salty, I am not a WAAC player. I don't care how good the rules seem without a viable physical army. I have collected since rouge trader and my idea of the Alpha Legion is different than more recent players.

If you were a Sisters player I'd be with you.
But throwing a big baby tantrum, cuz Chaos didn't get new shinie? C'mon.
Also, if you've been playing since Rogue Trader you'd know that 40k is supposed to have some humor in it and be a bit silly sometimes and OTT names and puns are part of that. It only became super serious around the the mid-00s I think.

Chaos space marines have been getting new models, just not the models you want. Our cultists aren't even that old a kit.
I also don't believe you have been playing since rogue trader, whingey, winy self entitled rant screams of someone too young to have been around during rogue trader.
You are correct on the names, some of them have become ridiculous.

I thought all Chaos players were used to being disappointed with their codexes.

Its deliberate by GW to turn Chaos players into bitter and twisted parodies of their tabletop counter parts.

Counter point - I love the new codex

 XT-1984 wrote:
I thought all Chaos players were used to being disappointed with their codexes.

Its deliberate by GW to turn Chaos players into bitter and twisted parodies of their tabletop counter parts.

This, I've even tried sprouting some mutations but to no avail

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
@GhostRecon
Do you have any thing original to say? It seems you just parroted Cheeselord....yeah I am not very focused on the rules as I refuse to buy an 8e rulebook before the release of a new chaos marine kit...sorry to seem so salty, I am not a WAAC player. I don't care how good the rules seem without a viable physical army. I have collected since rouge trader and my idea of the Alpha Legion is different than more recent players.

Suppose I should be honored for a specific call-out considering all the other posts in this thread...

...still, very hard to believe you've been playing since 'rouge trader' - if so, not sure why having a brand new CSM kit would be a priority, since your collection should be pretty complete by this point. Perhaps modernizing/updating their aesthetic is your objective? In that case, as others have pointed out, half the appeal of CSM is the hobby aspect and the freedom you get to kitbash and convert (matched only by Orks) - and if you've been playing the hobby as long as you claim, you'd know that and not to be surprised and/or disappointed in what GW does or doesn't do.

So again - where is the assessment, debate, or discussion here? The only thing being 'discussed' in the topic was how you convinced yourself without any evidence or rumors that CSM was going to get some kind of DE-level model release and decided to whine on the forums when your bubble got burst - and even there it's mostly other posters trying to help point out how unrealistic that belief was while offering advice or suggestions... or posting the equivalent of "...really?"

I think we need to really be concerned about the real issue. All of this sodium intake by OP could cause heart complications.

I am a very salty CSM hobbyist, and my opinion of the new codex is overwhelmingly positive.

I think the writers have succeeded splendidly in 8th edition by catering to both the players how like the horribly demonic depiction of CSM, and then the players, like me, who prefer the 'Long War'/Renegade non-demonic look on their models. These both sides are presented both in images and text in the book, allowing one easily to make fluffy armies however way one likes the best.
They subtly encourage players to make their own chaos marines from Horus Heresy plastic Mark III and Mark IV marines. And truth be told, CSM doesn't even need new basic troop kit. It is much easier, although more expensive, to recreate your own vision of chaos warband or legion company waging the long war using several different boxes and kits and bits available, be it from GW, Forge or other model producers.

TL;DR Chaos Space Marines are in best place since forever with all the GW and FW (and other producer) products available from 40k and 30k series and sci-fi models in general.

Wow, what surprise a Chaos SM player is ranting about their NEW codex. Nothing new here, moving on.

My biggest issue with the chaos book and starting a new army is nothing but the fault of my own. Having ditched my entire GW collection several years ago I have the dire position of having no great bits to convert my current chaos crusade. As I slowly collect, I am starting to gather new bits as many have said, converting chaos seems like the best way to customize the army to your liking. Literally anything goes.
My Iron Warriors now have a Daemon Prince with a siege shield and new head (taken from the Bullgryns box I bought), plus a servo arm made from my box of servohaulers I picked up a few months ago. Wasted money on the Bullgryns? Nope, chaos Ogrys can either be used as spawn or in friendly games counts as x3 cultists placed in the middle of a horde (if on large base it takes up space of approx 3 small base cultists).
What about Obliterators.....god awful models. Nothing will irritate shiny new space marine players more than getting a box of primaris agressors and converting them to Obliterators.
And finally, Mk III marines are cheap and available for chaos players to build as they like, really don't need new scultps.

There's very few things off in terms of internal balance (Chaos Marines, Mutilators), and I would switch the Strategems of the Slaanesh firing twice and the Iron Warriors getting a 6+++, and I'd have given Renegades their special artifact, but honestly outside a few minor things this is the best thing that happened for the army outside 7th's Traitor Legions book.

Disappointed?! Is this your first time playing Chaos?! 6th-7th ed was disappointing lol Be patient on the models. GW has a very aggressive Codex release plan for this year, so its understandable that they cant release models for each codex as they have done in the past.

I am extremely happy with my Hereticus Astartes in 8th and the even just 8th ed overall.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
There's very few things off in terms of internal balance (Chaos Marines, Mutilators), and I would switch the Strategems of the Slaanesh firing twice and the Iron Warriors getting a 6+++, and I'd have given Renegades their special artifact, but honestly outside a few minor things this is the best thing that happened for the army outside 7th's Traitor Legions book.

The 6+ FNP roll would actually be quiet useless since Slaanesh already has the 5+ FNP with the Psyker Spell. I think it may have been better if it may have been a 2CP 4+ one.

v0iddrgn wrote:
Wow, what surprise a Chaos SM player is ranting about their NEW codex. Nothing new here, moving on.

Except they're actually complaining about the model release that didn't happen and wasn't anticipated anywhere but in their head.

At least read the fething OP if you're going to try and snark on it.

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
At the very least I expected a new chaos marine box, a new cultist kit with new options, an obliterator/mutilator box, and some more new special characters.

Why would you expect all of this?

My general assumption is that we aren't going to see any new models from other factions until the Primaris line (including the inevitable Primaris SC's) are completely finished,

I'll take it a step further: I'm pretty sure that, as part of GW's rabid obsession with "protecting muh IP from Chapterhouse bullies", we won't even be seeing new kits for old units going forward. Going forward, only new units with dumb faux-latin names or adjective-noun/noun-adjective names will be getting models.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
There's very few things off in terms of internal balance (Chaos Marines, Mutilators), and I would switch the Strategems of the Slaanesh firing twice and the Iron Warriors getting a 6+++, and I'd have given Renegades their special artifact, but honestly outside a few minor things this is the best thing that happened for the army outside 7th's Traitor Legions book.

The 6+ FNP roll would actually be quiet useless since Slaanesh already has the 5+ FNP with the Psyker Spell. I think it may have been better if it may have been a 2CP 4+ one.

They could stack it for a 5+++/6++++. That's useful to me, at least. You've definitely got an excellent point though.

Hey everyone,

I really debated even bothering to reply to this thing and invite even more abuse, but I figure I deserve it for going about this thread the way I did. I realize I should not post threads, specifically negative ones, when it's late and I've had drinks. I also realize it was a fairly incoherent OP and reply, but again, working late and drinks. I kind of came across as a plank headed middle schooler. I understand I did not leave alot of room for discussion or debate, again my fault. I should have just titled the thread "Salty Chaos Rant" so everyone could have avoided it.

@GhostRecon-
Sorry for calling you out, it was childish and uncalled for. Peace.

I never claimed to have been playing since Rogue Trader. I have collected models since Rogue Trader; I've been playing since 2e. I realize that there was no rumors about new chaos models; I still got my hopes up. I am a 38 year old crusty salty chaos player that has not played a game since 5e. I was hoping for something that would get me back into playing actively but 8e is not it so far. If everyone else in the galaxy loves the new codex I understand and respect that and wish them luck. But I want to make one final (maybe my first) point. I stand by my decision not to buy the new rule book. It was not a childish knee jerk reaction. On the contrary, it was the decision of hard working person whose money is important to them. I am not happy with the models available, I am voting with my dollars. I am letting GW know that it is not acceptable to me that their product line is so vastly lacking in good chaos models by not buying in to the new system or spending any money on it. It is how you let the makers of your luxury products know they are not doing a great job. I did buy the codex but I have every chaos codex back to Lost and Damned and Slaves to Darkness and I couldn't break the streak. So everyone, thank you for the honest criticism, and the digital stomping, I know how not to go about making friends on dakka. Thaks ya'll.

Oh no your faction got tons of models and is doing great for rules. Cry me a river. Ha now I get to be the bitter salty one.