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If I have a Devastator with a heavy bolter or a missile launcher, can I combine the Flakk Missile or Hellfire Round stratagems with the Devastator Sergeant's signum to get +1 to hit on the special attack? Can I combine it with the Armorium Cherub to get two special attacks?

... You only make a single hit roll with the weapon this phase...
- Hellfire

... you can add 1 to hit rolls made for your chosen model’s weapons this phase.
- Signum

The underline is a timing restraint you are going to have to contend with, for it forces you to make a single hit roll with the selected weapon for the entire phase. As it would be violating of this line of instructions, and Flakk has the same limitation within as well, if the weapon makes more then a single Hit Roll you are unable to carry out additional attacks even if you applied the Armoured Chereb. There is some good news, both Stratagems call this weapons attack a To-Hit Roll and To-Hit Rolls are what the Signum tells you to modify. I highly recommend doing so given how it sacrifices attacks for one big attack, best make it count.

Yes, the Signum can affect both Strategem, and so do e.g. Salamanders Tactics or a Captain - you can make sure you're hitting 35/36 times that way.

The Cherub would require a FAQ to be honest. The rules are in conflict, and I'd say the Cherub should win out if you'd base it on just the rules as written and assumed that you have specific permission to shoot again, overriding the limitation from the strategem. Remember, you're already not allowed to shoot again with any weapon that has already fired, so once you reach the Cherub the gun would never be allowed to fire, which the Cherub overrides.

I don't think it should duplicate the Strategem though, I'd be fine with it allowing another regular round of shooting.

Nekooni,
The Restriction is on the number of attacks (To Hit Rolls) the weapon can make in a given phase.
Using the Charub in this situation will grant the ability to fire the Heavy Bolter again; for a grand total of 0 additional To Hit Rolls....

 JinxDragon wrote:
Nekooni,
The Restriction is on the number of attacks (To Hit Rolls) the weapon can make in a given phase.
Using the Charub in this situation will grant the ability to fire the Heavy Bolter again; for a grand total of 0 additional To Hit Rolls, as it is forbidden from making more then one for that entire phase....

That's why I'm saying "needs a FAQ" and described HIWPI.

Agreed then, it isn't a complicated one but never hurts to clarify.
Especially when the answer would likely match your conclusion of "Another Round of Regular Shooting,' which is my mathematically preferred answer.

For those curious what I mean by mathematically preferred:
Using the Armoured Cherub on a Heavy Bolter in a normal situation would generate 3 additional shots
As long as using the Cherub after the stratagem generates the same 3 additional shots, the Rule interaction is 'balanced' and I have no problem allowing it outright
If it does something different, such as generating an additional super shot or even no additional shots, then the interaction is questionable and needs more Author input

While I might be satisfied that the duration of 'a phase' is the Author showing intent, it is entirely possible they say 'regular shooting' or 'one additional special shot' when they answer this.

The single shot per phase wording seems to have a separate intent behind it.

Both specified weapons either naturally or optionally fire more than 1 shot(3 for the heavy bolter, d6 for a frag missile), since the strategems do not alter or replace the profile it needs to clarify the single to hit roll(especially with the missile launcher). I doubt the cherub was ever taken into account in the wording.

Personally, I would allow use of the cherub, but not duplicating the strategem's effect(so just a normal heavy bolter firing or missile)

Alternatively we can look at the full sentence: only makes a single to hit roll with the weapon this phase, however,...; this would be for tge effects of the strategem, so making any additional to-hit rolls from another rule source would not have the strategem's effect.

Finally: think of applying the hellfire shell strategem to a centurion Devestator, he has 2 heavy bolters; surely you would not expect him to only fire the single shell from 1 of them and just not fire the other?

Kommisser Kel,
Both Strategems call out a single instance of 'the weapon' when they tell us what to do with it. Other weapons on the Model will function normally, regardless if it an additional Heavy Bolter or a Boltgun. The Model can instantly shoot again using the Armourium Cherub, but that one particular weapon still has the You only make a single hit roll with the weapon this phase, however... restriction from prior. That weapon would generate an additional 0 shots as it is restricted to 'a single To-Hit roll this phase' and it has already made a single To-Hit roll that phase.

The Authors didn't have to include the words this phase in order to reduce the number of shots generated; they could have simply informed us to make a single To-Hit roll and left it at that.

I still think the problem lies more in the 'shoot again' part of this equation:
How many Rules which Interrupt something to inject a shooting-attack, or allow a secondary shooting-attack to immediately happen again, have questions concerning them?
Had the Authors provided a clear way to handle Units attacking out-of-sequence, even questions like this one would cease to exist as we would point to 'out of sequence attacks' or something....

Overwatch, only in death does duty end, Astartes Banner; "this phase or any other wording similar is necessary to state it is any shots.

But my point was the litteral RAW vs even potential RAI.

Exact Hardline RAW has never worked in 40k; GW just cannot do it.

As far as "The weapon" goes; hardline RAW, the weapon is "a heavy bolter", "a missile launcher" no matter how many of those weapons the model has; or do you believe that only 1 of each named squad can use the combat squad rules?

I would allow doing the normal shooting, and then using the cherub for the strategems, but I don't think that's RAW, vis a vis "phase".

I just took a carefull look at both wordings. Here are some things i noticed:
.) Both stratagems are used "just before firing the weapon"
.) Both stratagems tell you to "only make 1 attack this phase" with the weapon,
-thus placing a restriction on said weapon to make more than one attack this phase

.) Armorium cherub is used "AFTER a model ;....; has fired"
.) Armorium cherub states the model CAN immidiately shoot again.
-since this is used after the stratagem, it clearly negates the restriction mentioned above. in other words, armorium cherub's ability to allow shooting again supercedes stratagems restriction to only make a single attack because it is used at a later point of the game.

.) Both stratagems also say that "if it hits" you deal D3 mortal wounds to the target (sidenote: it does not state that the damage of the normal shot is negatet, so it's in addition to normal damage).
-the only problem i see here is that it's not 100% clear what exactly the phrase above refers to.
Possibility 1.: "if IT hits" refers to the weapon used. in this case, every hit gained from shooting via armorium cherub would net D3 Mortal Wounds in addition to normal damage.
Possibility 2.: "if IT hits" refers to the single shot. In this case only the extra attacks from armorium cherub would only do normal damage.

BUT since the "single shot" is the later thing mentioned in both stratagems AND we get no other hint on what that "it" could refer to, we have to assume that possibility 2 is true.


Conclusion:
From RAW if you use both the Stratagem and the armorium cherub, you first get a single attack (with a +1 to hit in case of flakk) that deals D3 wounds if it hits, then you get normal worth of shooting from that weapon.