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So a quick questions re army selection.

The new keyword system means I only have to have one common keyword right?

IE so I could take belakor, ahriman as mandatory HQ's, plus some horrors, poxwalkers, and cultists as troops to fill the mandatory slots, and this would be a battle forged detachment right?

The Restriction you are thinking on is this one:
All of the units in a matched play army, with the
exception of those that are UNALIGNED, must have at
least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. IMPERIUM
or CHAOS ), even though they may be in different
Detachments
- Army Faction, page 214

Yes you can make a battleforged army with only the chaos keyword in common.

Note that there are certain benefits for taking a detachment purely of one faction, such as legion traits, unlocking faction stratagems and "objective secured" on troop choices.

 JinxDragon wrote:
The Restriction you are thinking on is this one:
All of the units in a matched play army, with the
exception of those that are UNALIGNED, must have at
least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. IMPERIUM
or CHAOS ), even though they may be in different
Detachments
- Army Faction, page 214

but units inside the same detachment must always have at least one faction keyword in common, iirc

OK thanks,

I wasnt sure if the pox walkers were troops that I could take in that instance, thank you for clarifying that they can be taken in this manner.

Terry,
Without verifying the exact wording again, I believe so, but the question was on the Army and not individual Detachments.

 easysauce wrote:
So a quick questions re army selection.

The new keyword system means I only have to have one common keyword right?

IE so I could take belakor, ahriman as mandatory HQ's, plus some horrors, poxwalkers, and cultists as troops to fill the mandatory slots, and this would be a battle forged detachment right?

Thread titles and the subject of the thread don't always match up.

As noted, the detachment would be Battle-forged. However you would lose out on a lot of special rules.

Point, for some reason I read the Opening Post's Unit list as broken across multiple Detachments....

The related Rule is found on Page 172, and is used for both Narrative and Matched Play:
... Battle-forged armies must be organised into Detachments (groupings of units
with specific strategic roles), twelve of which are presented in this book ...

Each Detachment will have it's own requirements, of which 'one faction only' is almost universal.

Question along these lines, if you did this type of army you would lose the objective secure special rule and the legion tactics special rules of a chaos warband but would you still have access to the stratagems and relics for the units as long as the targets were legal targets? (No giving them murder sword to typhus for example)?

Strategems require a chaos space marine detachment.

Relics only require a chaos space marine warlord

Azuza001 wrote:
Question along these lines, if you did this type of army you would lose the objective secure special rule and the legion tactics special rules of a chaos warband but would you still have access to the stratagems and relics for the units as long as the targets were legal targets? (No giving them murder sword to typhus for example)?

? why would I lose the new objective secured rule, as all units chosen are chaos that confuses me a bit.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 easysauce wrote:


IE so I could take belakor, ahriman as mandatory HQ's, plus some horrors, poxwalkers, and cultists as troops to fill the mandatory slots, and this would be a battle forged detachment right?

Thread titles and the subject of the thread don't always match up.

As noted, the detachment would be Battle-forged. However you would lose out on a lot of special rules.

Ok thanks, I wasnt sure if poxwalkers were death guard only as I coulnt find them listed anywhere else in the index, but rubric marines had two listings.

 easysauce wrote:

? why would I lose the new objective secured rule, as all units chosen are chaos that confuses me a bit

Understandably confusing, as those rules havn't been released yet, but previewed and accepted for some tournaments

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/09/new-matched-play-rules-in-chapter-approved-aug-9gw-homepage-post-1/

So you need everything to have the same <legion> keyword to get objective secured.

The wording of this rules out R&H and daemons getting it. Supposedly an entire detachment having the Chaos and Daemon keywords is sufficient.

Captyn_Bob wrote:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/09/new-matched-play-rules-in-chapter-approved-aug-9gw-homepage-post-1/

So you need everything to have the same <legion> keyword to get objective secured.

The wording of this rules out R&H and daemons getting it. Supposedly an entire detachment having the Chaos and Daemon keywords is sufficient.

??? but the link you gave me has this for the rules:


Is not the faction of all the units still chaos?

Looks to me like a detachment like belakor+ahriman with cultists, poxwalkers, and horrors, would all be faction chaos, get obj secured, but no legion specific bonuses.

 easysauce wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/09/new-matched-play-rules-in-chapter-approved-aug-9gw-homepage-post-1/

So you need everything to have the same <legion> keyword to get objective secured.

The wording of this rules out R&H and daemons getting it. Supposedly an entire detachment having the Chaos and Daemon keywords is sufficient.

??? but the link you gave me has this for the rules:


Is not the faction of all the units still chaos?

Looks to me like a detachment like belakor+ahriman with cultists, poxwalkers, and horrors, would all be faction chaos, get obj secured, but no legion specific bonuses.

Yes, but that also assumes you are using the yet to be released rules. I'm fairly certain when the rules are actually released, it will clarify how restrictive it is.

The guidance we've seen is that The faction has to have the " < > " to count.
So legion, regiment, chapter etc.