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I need a list with 10 wraithguard and 3 wraithlords that can actually work

Has anyone done this

How many points are you playing at? Do you have any other units already? What sort of HQ's do you have?

These are things we need to know before helping you.

I know that the Wraithguards and 3 Wraithlords, barebones, will run you about 850 points of fairly tough, but slow models.

If you want to focus entirely on Iyanden's theme, you should pick up Spiritseers and Farseers. Spiritseers give you a rerolling 1's aura to anything Wraith, and minor psychic support, while a Farseer will provide major Psychic support to your force. Every Eldar list should have a Farseer.

How will you get the Wraithguard up the board before they're shot to hell? They're 5" movement stat, with 12" guns. T5 and 3 Wounds with a 3+ save will get you far, but only so far. They will be gunned down if you foot slog. Wave Serpents are just about mandatory, given the Wraithguards slow speed and how strong Wave Serpents are.

I also have a farseer, fire dragons, yriel, karandras, fuegan, a night spinner a wave serpent and support weapons with doom weavers.


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Oh and i magnatized the wraithlords so they can take 2x heavy weapons, 2 have GG's and all have flamers.

See, with the Farseer and Wave Serpents now, you have a good basis.

I would suggest picking up two Spiritseers, who are cheap, efficient buffing units just for Wraiths, another Wave Serpent to run two squads of 5 Wraithlords. One Spiritseer in each Serpent, Farseer in one.

Nightspinner would be... decent?

You can run the army as a Spearhead detachment, but only take two HQ's. I'd recommend one Spirit Seer, one Farseer. Three Wraithlords as the mandatory Heavy Choices. It would have to be a highly aggressive army, rushing forward in to short range as fast as possible.

And to make this list FAR more competitive, you would take one of the Ynnari special characters and run it as a Ynnead army instead of Craftworld, since no unit in this army takes advantage of Battle Focus, and Soul-Bursting would greatly enhance the potential of the list.

Eldar have many options to use. Play around with ideas and combinations. Make sure to use Aura buffs, and Psychic powers. Eldar Psychic powers are fantastic.

Sadly you will not have a good list with Wraithlords in them, or even the Wraithseer, once again they are pretty terrible.

Personally, I'm looking at a Vanguard detachment with the Yncarn as warlord, two units of Shadow Spectres, two units of Wraithguard (one with cannons, one with D-Scythes) both in Wave Serpents with Shuricannons, 10 Wraithblades with swords and a Supreme Command detachment with Yriel and a Warlock with Conceal/Reveal to go with the Wraithblades and Irylith.

So wraithlords are no good? They seem pretty decent.

McCraggen wrote:
So wraithlords are no good? They seem pretty decent.

yes they are the thing is for 10 points extra you can get a serpent, with same loadout (aside flamers) 3 more wounds, an extra save of 6+ vs any kind of wound wich moves faster and also furthers reduces wounds taken by 1.

Just a lot of improvement for sacrificing a bit of melee capacity.


If you really need the melee of a Wraithlord it can be useful when compared with serpents but most of the times the tank does the job better.

I wouldnt think wraithlords are that bad, essentially they do a lot of damage in CC and can shoot reasonably.

Wraithlords are not bad at all, equipped with shuricannons, flamers and swords. Don't listen to the naysayers.

I've had a lot of play out of wraithblades with axe/shields and a Farseer casting Fortune on them. Yriel lurking by helps too. Dscythes and cannons in wave serpents and a hemlock fighter.

How does that work? shuriken canons kinds suck?

Wraithlords are OK compared to SM Dreadnoughts. They are tougher and faster although they do not get as many attacks in close combat and cost about the same.

Wave Serpents are very good and I would get one for each short ranged unit in your army (Wraithguard, Wraithblades, Fire Dragons). Wraithlords' main advantage is that as well as decent shooting, they are a handy counter-charge unit in melee. They are not a power house but they will easily swat most units trying to DS near you to bring special weapons to bear. Even Terminators are likely to take some casualties in CC against one.

Wraithguard are awesome. I favour a mix of D-Scythes and Wraithblades with swords backed up by Fire Dragons for big-game hunting. Get them Wave Serpents and add a Farseer (optionally a Spirit Seer too) and you have a very fast and hard-hitting Vanguard Detachment.

Some Dark Reapers are good too. They can move and fire at full effect and also are great against everything from MEQs to flyers. They work well with a Wraithlord to babysit them and maybe an Autarch for a reroll bubble.


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Hemlocks are also very thematic for Iyanden and are one of the best aircraft in the game.

Hemlocks are no joke. Even when charged by FLY units their overwatch is lethal (auto hitting high strenght weapons)

McCraggen wrote:
How does that work? shuriken canons kinds suck?

shuriken cannons allow the W Lord to advance without compromising too much firepower (which you cannot do with any of the other hvy weapon options). In assault, 3 attacks at S9, -4,AP, D6 damage is no joke for his minimal investment. He complements the strengths of the wraithguard.

While my list have failed i can tell you what everyone keeps telling me.

Dark reapers, with yvrain and one or two hemlocks.

Wave serpents for the gaurd. Spirit seer does not help the dscyths so add him to a cannons unit for turn 2 tank busting.

2 lords can wreck a imp knight if they get there btw.

You already got good advice.
I'd take a Vanguard detachment with Farseer, 2x5 Wraithguard w/ D-scythes, 5 Fire Dragons and 1-3 Wave Serpents as transports. As you have only one WS, I'd mount the FDs in them.

Then I'd take Spearhead detachment with Farseer and the 3 Wraithlords. WLs are not bad, they are a bit slow and their damage output is not very high.

Also worth to notice normal Wraithguard can dish S5 -1 1d3 wounds in melee, wich is nothing bad at all plus the disengage and shoot ability.


Those punches have taken his toll in some multiwounds units due people rarely specting it.