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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

I plan on going. Great event, hope to make some new friends, there!

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




This would be a fun trip
   
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Awesome Autarch






San Diego, California

It would! London is a fun city.

   
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Regular Dakkanaut




Planning on attending and bringing Team Stronghold South with me

   
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Hey all - just an update to remind anyone thinking of attending that tickets are almost sold out.

The 40k GT is at a little over 300 entrants now, and a sure fire way to bump yourself up the ITC rankings.

Tickets can be bought from www.LGTpresents.co.uk/store
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




Got my ticket!

See you all there.

   
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Dakka Veteran




Likewise! First visit to the London GT!
   
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Lets start to talk about London GT.

Anybody know what kind of terrains will be in use?
Any pictures available?

I'm not really sure what they mean about line of sign blocker,will be possible see through they windows or doors or basically is just a big wall 8" x 8" ???

   
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Regular Dakkanaut




If its line of sight blocking it should mean just that. It blocks line of sight so no there shouldn't be windows or doors to see through.

   
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Dakka Veteran




Terrain layouts/setups can be found in the event pack -
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a7e101_fcd941316ad84f13a7e563f9d78fa9bb.pdf

Looks like 3 different table setups, all with some form of LoS blocking terrain and "multi level hill like terrain". Looks like the LoS stuff is normal "corner" ruin style bits.

I personally, just hope that the FAQ comes out soon, to allow for list and army creation in time.
   
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Been Around the Block





Does the event award ITC points. I cant find it on their website

Owz it work.
Coz I sez it doz, dats why 
   
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Dakka Veteran




Booger ork wrote:
Does the event award ITC points. I cant find it on their website


Yes, it just doesn't follow the ITC championship mission format.

Or at least i'm pretty sure it does... Will try to find the reference later.

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Perturbed Blood Angel Tactical Marine






had a day here today, not playing but watching.

great mix of games I thought. EVERYTHING was being played. The competition tables quite packed together but coul dget a reasonable view of the narrative tables.

The players seemed to be having a good time and the atmosphere was really good.

One thing I would say is that the entry to the venue was a bit of a mess. at first they only had one bag check and the queue was massive and obviously everyone had bags full of minis.

Eventually they got more bag searchers outside and things progressed but the whole shebang was delayed an hour.

I'll leave it to the players to give a more insider view.

If you ever play with "that guy" remember this :
"there may be times when you are not sure exactly how to resolve a situation that has come up during play. When this happens, have a quick chat with your opponent and apply the solution that makes the most sense to both of you (or seems the most fun!), If no single solution presents itself, you and your opponent should roll off, and whoever rolls the highest gets to choose what happens." BRB pg 180 
   
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I’m so glad I didn’t go.

Awful tables and apparently no food provided too.
[Thumb - AA347DC1-F03D-4923-BA8D-71C52C4797BF.jpeg]
Wtf?

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





A lot of the scenery on the 40k tables looks awful from the photos. Unpainted chunks of polystyrene! Also very little space between tables. Does not look like a well run event. I hope the people there are having fun.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut





Netherlands

Looks like 5 quid well spent!

Wait...

   
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Elite Tyranid Warrior




Gloucester/ Bristol UK

I thought Dakka would of been all over this. I feel so sorry for the guys who went. London ain't cheap, the event wasn't cheap, and there was everything cheap about in this event. I'm surprised there wasn't an angry mob refusing to play and wanted their money back. Friends had to wait ages to get in, then arrived to a play on exactly the same tables as each other, a mat and some polystyrene cut outs that were unpainted, partly painted, or grey. And as said the space between the tables, absolute joke. Hopefully no one's army get broke due to it.


   
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Cruel Corsair





I couldn't make this year's, but honestly, after seeing the pictures and hearing about the general disorganization I'm actually relieved I didn't spend the money to go down for the weekend.
   
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Dakka Veteran






Yeah around £40000 taken and looking at it very little spent.

Scenery pulled from the Bins round back, 2 security guards for 700+ people, no facilities worth mentioning, very little space.

I know people who cut there losses and left despite dropping £100 to get in because it was that gak.

Be interesting what GW shows of this "flagship" event as they were streaming it, seems appropriate overpriced and under delivering the GW way.

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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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Been Around the Block




Whoever organised this ... didn't.

Complete shambles on every level. I hope they enjoy the profit and I hope no one goes to another one.
   
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Perturbed Blood Angel Tactical Marine






interesting to see the opinions of those who have been to more than one of these, I just assumed this is how it was.

To be honest, we spent more time around the narrative tables, these had proper scenery but still packed.

People mentioned the food, this certainly would have been more of an issue for the players as they only had one cafe serving in the whole place, for us it was fine as obviously we went when everyone was playing, but the queue in between the games was huge!

The pictures of the scenery speak for themselves, I just assumed this was "the norm"

If you ever play with "that guy" remember this :
"there may be times when you are not sure exactly how to resolve a situation that has come up during play. When this happens, have a quick chat with your opponent and apply the solution that makes the most sense to both of you (or seems the most fun!), If no single solution presents itself, you and your opponent should roll off, and whoever rolls the highest gets to choose what happens." BRB pg 180 
   
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Fate-Controlling Farseer





Fort Campbell

Wow...

This is just amazing in how poorly ran this sounds.

I hope the people who paid that price got some enjoyment out of it at least.

1st Legion Dark Angels

Eldar Craftworld Eth-Kariel
Spear of Kornous - High Elf Expeditionary Army (Retired) 
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps






London

Id like to chime in with what I thought.

This was the first ever tournament I ever went to. I didn't play, I had a friend who was playing so I went along to support him/buy some stuff. I was very, very disappointed with what I saw.

1: No signage or anything to find the place. While you don't need to go excessive, a couple of notices here and there would help to find the place. Same with the layout, there was no indicators of where the vendors actually were, a lot of the vendors looked very bored, guessing not many people finding their stalls hidden away on the upper floor.

2: Very rude staff. Combined with the above point, I had to ask the staff a couple of things. First time, I was in the queue at the desk, the guy simply went "Well?" in a very "What do you want, you're wasting my time" tone. Second time, my friend and I wanted to grab a beer during the break, the queue was horrendous. We asked a girl behind the counter if there's another bar due to the queue, she basically said "Well everyone's got to queue haven't they, so should you". A simple "No, I'm afraid that's the only bar open" would suffice.

3: Just the way it was run was poor. I didn't even pay the £10 to get in. I just walked in. The announcers were pretty poor, and the app to upload scores didn't work on either mine, my friends, or his opponents phone. There was no real way to find any judges, my friend's game was delayed by about 10-15 mins while they had to hunt around for a judge.

4: The aforementioned issue of terrain. In the 40k tournament alone there had to be close to 400 people. At £50 each that's a £20,000 budget. Combined with the AoS, 40K narrative, 30K, etc, and you have to have at least a £35,000 budget, and yet the terrain was crap. Just crap.. Some guy had gone to B&Q after work, bought a few polystyrene sheets at £5 each, cut them into chunks and glued them.

For a first tournament experience it was piss-poor. While I'd like to compete for the first time I'd have been sorely disappointed if that was my first one.
   
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The painting competition was a disaster that pretty much nobody entered and was poorly run, with no security for the miniatures.
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps






London

flashmanandy wrote:
The painting competition was a disaster that pretty much nobody entered and was poorly run, with no security for the miniatures.


I agree, the raffle table was left unattended for a good few hours on Saturday. Anyone could have pocketed the models left there, models that have been wonderfully painted and very kindly donated.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
Id like to chime in with what I thought.

This was the first ever tournament I ever went to. I didn't play, I had a friend who was playing so I went along to support him/buy some stuff. I was very, very disappointed with what I saw.


To make you angry/sad or more disappointed. These are the crates of scenery lent to the organiser by GW, with GW staff driving the crates down from Nottingham, to be ignored and not get used!

They had decent scenery available and chose not to use it.

   
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Did that terrain match the terrain as specified in the rulespack?

Because when you specify what terrain each table has so that all tables are equal you can get crates of terrain that are, basically, useless.

Yes the terrain looked like gak, I dont deny that. And if you pay good money to play in the tournament I can certainly understand people being disappointed.

But terrain for a dozen tables when you have 366 odd players and therefor over 180 tables in the 40k tournament alone it is a drop in a bucket.
   
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flashmanandy wrote:
The painting competition was a disaster that pretty much nobody entered and was poorly run, with no security for the miniatures.


I was the only person to enter by the specified time on the event pack. So even by default should have won. They extended it to try and get some more entries but only gained another 2.

Rather than the lockable glass cabinet I was expecting, I was told just to leave my miniatures on a table alongside a pretty busy thoroughfare next to a raffle.

Leave my Golden demon and slayer sword winning miniatures just on a random table and walk off......nah.

I loitered around there for another 6 hours because the TO said I had to come to the awards at 1700.

I don’t really know what to say about it all really.
   
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Ok, i've just got home from playing in the 40k GT, so a couple of thoughts from my POV.

Day 1 organisation was pretty horrendous. I was pretty "lucky" in that i managed to get close to the front of the queue when they called for it to be formed (everyone was just milling around out front before then). The bag searching was ok for what it was. Some of the security were out giving entry wrist bands to everyone in the queue (didn't even have to show them a ticket... lol...) but they started the bag search area inside, crammed into a corner. With only 3 tables. Not long after i got in they moved the setup outside, which made things easier but yeah. The "bag search" pretty much amounted to a super fast look inside and that was it. A couple of the guards were doing more thorough checks though - possibly at random.

Once through security there was registration area which amounted to 3 tables next to each other for all the events.
THEN, i had to join the queue for 40k registration and BCP event setup.
Entry was everything but streamlined.

Day 1 start was delayed for probably close on to 2 hours or so. Fortunately i spent most of the delay inside, but hundreds of people didn't.

Initially there was 1 bar open, on the 1st floor, that no-one could find easily. They also only started out with 1 member of staff behind the bar from what i was told. Queues got pretty big at times, and if you wanted a hot drink you had to queue to the tills then go back down the queue and push through it to get your own hot water and milk etc from jugs at the end of the bar.

In regards to the competition itself.

Terrain was embarrassing. Lots of people were playing the terrain differently. The "woods" amounted to an A4 sized board with cement? around the edges, the "hills" were stacks of polystyrene in a pyramid shape, and the rest was just L shaped polystyrene. None of it technically should have provided cover bonuses, but, people were just going off agreements at the start of their games. In some cases, the bits of polystyrene weren't even glued together. In most cases, it wasn't even painted or half painted.

Table wise - space was "generally" ok AFTER the 1st game. 1st game they had crammed way to many tables into 1 room they got told off for being a big fire hazard so the event then moved to tables across 3 floors.
The main issues i had was in some cases there was not enough space for people to get past each other, not all the tables were level (my game 1 and 4 were played on a table which had a massive ridge down the centre because the 2 tables the mat was on weren't the same height....) and the tables were too wide for most people. The extra width helped in some ways, but made things difficult when you had to move units on the other side of the table when you couldn't get past people to walk around.

Event organisation.
We were meant to get warnings at certain points in regards to the games remaining time length. I think this was followed maybe once. The rest of the time it was just completely random.

Table numbers were completely random as well. You'd be following the table numbers along, then suddenly you'd just up 50 tables, because the next set were on the other side of the hall for some reason.
This got even worse after game 1, because the moved the tables around, changed the numbers on the tables and then didn't tell anyone or announce it.
There was no signage on day 1 in regards to what tables were on what floor. This was semi rectified on day 2.

BCP app was, as usual in my experience, hit or miss. Sometimes it would ask for pin codes for score submission, sometimes it wouldn't. It kept logging people out randomly, and, in mine and others cases, it did not recognise the event submission pin so i had to go to the desk every game to submit scores there. It'd also often tell me i couldn't view lists due to not being in the event, after going through the "my events" section of the app and selecting the event....

The only food available was from the stadium bar, as you couldn't take any in with you. Not much in terms of options BUT, the food did come out quickly.

Due to how things went, some people didn't get a lunch break day 1 (from what they were saying though).

I only found out about things like the raffle etc due to playing one game on the top floor and i had to walk past it to get to the table... Not sure how successful it was, due to it not being advertised.

Day 2, was also delayed by an hour for some people. My game 4 started on time due to us both being at the table, many others were still stuck queuing outside. Was quicker than day 1 though.

Same issues with the tables though. Took one group of people about half an hour to find their tables due to some tables not even being numbered and tables 55-59 were nowhere near 40-54 and 60+.

Didn't have a clue where they were doing the announcements and presentation at the end until i overheard someone mention it was "upstairs". Presentation amounted to a list of names and awards being read out quickly and not always clearly. Prizes were given out on the side, away from the "stage", so i don't think i even saw one of the winners.

Didn't really get to see much in regards to the other events, beyond some guy in the 30k event having an amazing looking Thunderhawk.


365 people took part in the 40k event (well, recorded at least 1 result anyway).


I know someone joked about the terrain having been delievered a couple of days before the event somewhere on dakka sometime midweek, but, i didn't expect them to actually be right.

On the plus side, atmosphere and players were pretty fantastic all weekend, despite all the confusion, eye rolling and organisational frustrations. I certainly had a good time when playing my games, but, it was the people that made them, and not the event. Whether or not i go next year is completely 50/50 at this stage, as i know i can go to better events around the country for less cost.
   
 
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