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Hi

Im new and started with my Wife and a Friend 40k and I’ve Rulequestions:


1. Artillery like Big Gunz (Ork) or Basilisk (Astra Militarum) can if right equipped hit an Enemy without see it. How do you play it? A Friend put the Basilisk in a building/ruin under a roof. Is it allowed? How do you play it? Like this its very hard to counter and to be honest the roof would be destroyed after such a shot.
2. If you use a Commandpoint to reroll 2d6 like Wyrdboy (Ork) do you have to reroll both or only one?
3. If I have Flashgitz an use ammorunts and get 1 Damage, can I kill a ammorunt instead of a Flashgit? Do Ammorants need a Place in a Truck?
4. Can you shoot on a Modell behind a Trukk if you don’t see him bc of the truck and if we turn it around can this model shoot on this enemy unit?

Thanks an Greetings
Meow

1) It's allowed, you'd simply give the vehicle cover (so it'd gain +1 to its armour save). You can also smack your friend and tell him it can no longer fire because it's in a building. NOTE: The rules state that a vehicle cannot move into ruins, so this is questionable at best. Was it deployed there initially? Your friend is gaming the system I believe.

2) The command re-roll Stratagem allows you to re-roll one die specifically. That's it. One of the two dice you rolled. There are some other abilities which allow a full re-roll.

3) You can take wounds on whichever model you want in the unit, unless a multi-wound model (such as a Terminator or Wraithguard) have already been wounded in which case that model must continue to take wounds until slain.

4) Line-of-sight is a little silly in 8th edition. If you can see any portion of the enemy model you can shoot it, and likewise it can shoot you. So if you can't see the model at all (i.e. fully obscurred from your model) then no shot is possible --- unless your weapon allows you to fire without seeing your target. A good rule of thumb is that if one model can see you...you can see that model, so it'll go both ways.

Hey, thank you for this Answer!

He's doing both, placing them there at the beginning and drives the vehicles there during the game.
What bothers me is that the building has a ROOF. Shouldn't that prevent the unit from shooting out?

Fluffwise, yes. Ruleswise, it's not a building at all. If it is, then yeah, the artillery piece can't go in it at all, and even if you get it in there with some kind of loophole, it can't shoot. But if it's just ruins with a roof, then yes, you can do that, even though it doesn't make any sense.

What you can't do, is put the Basilisk on top of the roof. Vehicles can go into the ground floors of ruins just fine, as long as they can fit through the door or other openings in the walls, but they have to stay on the ground floor, unless they have FLY.

 Elbows wrote:
1) It's allowed, you'd simply give the vehicle cover (so it'd gain +1 to its armour save). You can also smack your friend and tell him it can no longer fire because it's in a building. NOTE: The rules state that a vehicle cannot move into ruins, so this is questionable at best. Was it deployed there initially? Your friend is gaming the system I believe.

This isn't completely true - only infantry are allowed to move through walls, but nothing stops vehicles driving through the "open" side of ruins if there is one.

Meow wrote:

He's doing both, placing them there at the beginning and drives the vehicles there during the game.
What bothers me is that the building has a ROOF. Shouldn't that prevent the unit from shooting out?

This is a situation caused by abstraction in the rules not making real world sense. It happens some times, and if it bothers you it is fine to make house rules to fix the issue, as long as both players agree. Terrain rules in 8th edition are pretty vague in general , and are written for official Citadel terrain kits, which IIRC have only small ledges, not big solid roofs. In case of scratch build terrain that differs greatly from GW kits, it is a good idea to discuss with your opponent how they should be played and if some house rules should apply; I think that even the rulebook suggests this.

 Elbows wrote:

4) Line-of-sight is a little silly in 8th edition. If you can see any portion of the enemy model you can shoot it, and likewise it can shoot you. So if you can't see the model at all (i.e. fully obscurred from your model) then no shot is possible --- unless your weapon allows you to fire without seeing your target. A good rule of thumb is that if one model can see you...you can see that model, so it'll go both ways.

This is true to an extent. Vehicles (and larger models) get a little wonky with LoS. Things that are completely aesthetic and not a part of the true vehicle hull are not counted as targetable. Things like vehicle antennae, really big wings, etc. are not considered when you are figuring out if the unit has LoS to or from.

Hoodwink wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

4) Line-of-sight is a little silly in 8th edition. If you can see any portion of the enemy model you can shoot it, and likewise it can shoot you. So if you can't see the model at all (i.e. fully obscurred from your model) then no shot is possible --- unless your weapon allows you to fire without seeing your target. A good rule of thumb is that if one model can see you...you can see that model, so it'll go both ways.

This is true to an extent. Vehicles (and larger models) get a little wonky with LoS. Things that are completely aesthetic and not a part of the true vehicle hull are not counted as targetable. Things like vehicle antennae, really big wings, etc. are not considered when you are figuring out if the unit has LoS to or from.

That is not correct. You draw line of sight to and from any part of the model.

You measure to/from the hull.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Hoodwink wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

4) Line-of-sight is a little silly in 8th edition. If you can see any portion of the enemy model you can shoot it, and likewise it can shoot you. So if you can't see the model at all (i.e. fully obscurred from your model) then no shot is possible --- unless your weapon allows you to fire without seeing your target. A good rule of thumb is that if one model can see you...you can see that model, so it'll go both ways.

This is true to an extent. Vehicles (and larger models) get a little wonky with LoS. Things that are completely aesthetic and not a part of the true vehicle hull are not counted as targetable. Things like vehicle antennae, really big wings, etc. are not considered when you are figuring out if the unit has LoS to or from.

That is not correct. You draw line of sight to and from any part of the model.

You measure to/from the hull.

Unless the vehicle has a base, then you measure to and from the base (unless specifically directed by the datasheet to do otherwise).

 Ghaz wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Hoodwink wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

4) Line-of-sight is a little silly in 8th edition. If you can see any portion of the enemy model you can shoot it, and likewise it can shoot you. So if you can't see the model at all (i.e. fully obscurred from your model) then no shot is possible --- unless your weapon allows you to fire without seeing your target. A good rule of thumb is that if one model can see you...you can see that model, so it'll go both ways.

This is true to an extent. Vehicles (and larger models) get a little wonky with LoS. Things that are completely aesthetic and not a part of the true vehicle hull are not counted as targetable. Things like vehicle antennae, really big wings, etc. are not considered when you are figuring out if the unit has LoS to or from.

That is not correct. You draw line of sight to and from any part of the model.

You measure to/from the hull.

Unless the vehicle has a base, then you measure to and from the base (unless specifically directed by the datasheet to do otherwise).

Yeah I forgot about that. So many x-factors to the rules

But yes, you don't measure to odd and end pieces that stick out unless they are a part of the primary hull of the vehicle (assuming baseless vehicle). GW specifically did that to not crunch the creativity of customizing models. I can't remember off hand where they said it but I believe it's in either the FAQ or one of the comments from the developers. I will look...


Aaaaand I'm not finding it so I'm either going insane, thinking of something else, or I haven't found it yet....

Meow wrote:
Hi

Im new and started with my Wife and a Friend 40k and I’ve Rulequestions:


1. Artillery like Big Gunz (Ork) or Basilisk (Astra Militarum) can if right equipped hit an Enemy without see it. How do you play it? A Friend put the Basilisk in a building/ruin under a roof. Is it allowed? How do you play it? Like this its very hard to counter and to be honest the roof would be destroyed after such a shot.
2. If you use a Commandpoint to reroll 2d6 like Wyrdboy (Ork) do you have to reroll both or only one?
3. If I have Flashgitz an use ammorunts and get 1 Damage, can I kill a ammorunt instead of a Flashgit? Do Ammorants need a Place in a Truck?
4. Can you shoot on a Modell behind a Trukk if you don’t see him bc of the truck and if we turn it around can this model shoot on this enemy unit?

Thanks an Greetings
Meow

1. Technically legal but one of those moments that raises an eyebrow. Vehicles can not enter ruins unless there's a clear path (so no moving through walls) - really depends on the situation for this one. but if a weapon doesn't require line of sight, then it can be placed anywhere legal and still fire regardless what's around it.
2. If the model/unit has a special rule that allows a reroll you reroll everything rolled, if it's a stratagem reroll for a command point, the rule specifically says you reroll one die only. (e.g. a unit of marines has a special rule in effect that allows them to reroll all failed charges, you roll a 3 and 5 failing the charge needing a 10. you would pick up both and roll them again. If same unit didn't have that rule, and you used a CP instead, you pick one of those and roll it again (naturally assuming the 3 for a chance to roll a 5 or 6 to make the charge)
3. Wounds are allocated by the controlling player in any way to the unit wounded they see fit. Only "condition" here is that for multiwound models, once a wound is allocated to the model ALL future wounds must be allocated to that model until it is slain (no 5th ed paladin shenanigans here)
4. True line of sight is a bit more abstract this edition than previous versions of the game. Now it's pretty much if any point of the firing model can see any point of the target model, then you have line of sight. House rules are common for this topic to rule out parts that aren't the model such as banners, antenna, spikes etc. Previous editions of the game had this rule so not sure why they removed it - probably in favour of streamlining the LOS rules to keep it as simple as possible "can you see the model? Great you can shoot it then!"