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Played this last weekend - a chaos player moved, advanced, then warptimed, but did not advance a second time. His understanding was that the second move phase granted by warptime in effect 'cancels out' the first move phase, and more importantly, the advancing. So, his thought was that he could move, advance, warptime, then charge.

I thought this wasn't correct - my understanding is that if you advance at all, ever, in your turn, you can't charge. For example, if you advance a group of boyz, and cast 'da jump', they can't charge unless they're next to a warboss.

A different chaos player sided with me, citing a FAQ passage addressing it, however I later looked at the chaos FAQ, and I couldn't find anything of the sort. All I could find was that if a unit is moved by warptime, it is treated as if it had moved (for heavy weapon penalties and the like), but that's kind of the opposite of the issue in question.

In the end, it actually didn't matter, but I am curious - Does advancing then warptiming (without a second advance) still impose penalties?

He is not correct.

Think of it as an Or gate. The unit advanced in the first phase and not the second phase, it's advanced. If it didn't advance in the first but did in the 2nd, it advanced. If it didn't in either, it didn't advance.

If you advance at any point, unless another rule explicitly says you no longer count as advancing, you've advanced.

If you Advance you've Advanced. Simples.

 BaconCatBug wrote:


If you advance at any point, unless another rule explicitly says you no longer count as advancing, you've advanced.

That was more or less my exact reasoning at the time, but I just wanted to double check.

I would agree. I think the player in question should just switch to a Renegade legion and that way he could advance and charge. If you advance at all you suffer all penalties unless a rule or strategem overrides it. (So next time you see said player ask him if he is building a Renegade legion.)

This is the line you need to keep in mind:
A unit that Advances can’t shoot or charge later that turn.
- Advancing

The Restriction against Charging has the duration of 'The Turn,' what is left of it anyway, not something along the lines of 'previous Movement Phase.'

You got had by him if you allowed him to do that, do you carry a rulebook with you? If not might need to start carrying one when going to games.