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The paragraph in question is under the Blightlord Terminator Unit entry, wargear options:

"For every five models in the unit, one Blightlord Terminator may exchange their combi-bolter and bubotic axe, or combi-bolter and bale sword, with a flail of corruption."

Well, RAW, this means i cannot give the flail to the units champion and benefit from hsi extra attack, right?


Thank you for your insight, ladies and gentlemen

correct, he cant have it.
the blightlord champion is not a blightlord terminator.
they are separate things.

Well, the question, then, is...is that rules as intended or does it need to be FAQ'ed? I feel like it would be worth so much more on the champion. And it is aesthetically more pleasing to have the most gruesome/big weapon on the units leader. Isn't that the thing with Seregants and Special Characters for them to have the best possible gear available?

It is as intended and is nothing unique to Blightlords. A majority of units in this edition (and past editions) have upgrades limited to the basic squad members and not available to the unit champion.

Rules are rules.

 Tombard wrote:
Well, the question, then, is...is that rules as intended or does it need to be FAQ'ed? I feel like it would be worth so much more on the champion. And it is aesthetically more pleasing to have the most gruesome/big weapon on the units leader. Isn't that the thing with Seregants and Special Characters for them to have the best possible gear available?

That's a can of worms there. Once you start questioning the intent of clearly written rules, even as a thought exercise, you only invite pain.

This wording has been used in previous codexes. They will use "Any Model may take..." when it's an option for both.

No harm in doing the thought experiment:
Are there any other Unit that has Options unique to the 'regular models' then to the 'Sargent' leading them?
- Why Yes, Many
Are some of these options better suited to be on the 'Sargent' then the 'regular model?'
- Why Yes, not as many but more then a few times I have wished I could put X on the Sargent
Is there specific wording that would allow all Models in the Unit to take an option?
- Indeed, lot of options can be taken by any Model


Thought experiment done - This is the intended outcome

 JinxDragon wrote:
No harm in doing the thought experiment:
Are there any other Unit that has Options unique to the 'regular models' then to the 'Sargent' leading them?
- Why Yes, Many
Are some of these options better suited to be on the 'Sargent' then the 'regular model?'
- Why Yes, not as many but more then a few times I have wished I could put X on the Sargent
Is there specific wording that would allow all Models in the Unit to take an option?
- Indeed, lot of options can be taken by any Model


Thought experiment done - This is the intended outcome

I'm talking a little more generally than just equipment lists with that comment, but I thought that was obvious.

You know the "question the validity of clear rules because we *think* it should be a different way" shtick is a tunnel of madness. I'm not trying to sass OP by saying so, either. We all put blinders on once in a while and hang on to things that make sense despite the word of the rules. A Land Raider can fire Lascannons through itself and then a solid wall provided a track shoe is within visible range of the target. If we try and modify everything because "X would make more sense", we will break the already pretty unstable game.

Yeah I know, often there is nothing to be had from such exercises but I couldn't pass up the chance to be sarcastic and show exactly why in this situation.
What the Authors have penned down makes sense, and it is in line with everything else the Authors have done to this point, so till they tell us otherwise this is what they intend.

 JinxDragon wrote:
Yeah I know, often there is nothing to be had from such exercises but I couldn't pass up the chance to be sarcastic and show exactly why in this situation.
What the Authors have penned down makes sense, and it is in line with everything else the Authors have done to this point, so till they tell us otherwise this is what they intend.

Fair enough, I can't say I wouldn't have taken a similar approach!

Agreed entirely that the intent on this is clear. I am, however anticipating TFG retorting with, "Yeah, but in the points appendix there's no difference between a Blightlord Champion and a Blightlord Terminator! They're CLEARLY Blightlord Terminators! They even have the Keyword!!1!"

Well, maybe their grammar wouldn't be as good, but you see what I'm getting at.

It's not TFG behaviour to reason that way tbh. A Blightlord Champion is a part of a Blightlord Terminator unit. It is a Blightlord Terminator.

Not weighing in for either POV by the way, just saying that calling this TFG behaviour is not arguing in good faith, and you should probably read the 'Tenets of YMDC' article.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It's not TFG behaviour to reason that way tbh. A Blightlord Champion is a part of a Blightlord Terminator unit. It is a Blightlord Terminator.

Not weighing in for either POV by the way, just saying that calling this TFG behaviour is not arguing in good faith, and you should probably read the 'Tenets of YMDC' article.

To ignore datasheet wording to argue an invalid position is TFG behaviour.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
A Blightlord Champion is a part of a Blightlord Terminator unit. It is a Blightlord Terminator.

Except, ya know, it isn't because the rules say it isn't?

By your logic, a Geminae Superia is a "Celestine" and thus could be accompanied by two Geminae Superia of their own and have the revive special rule.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
A Blightlord Champion is a part of a Blightlord Terminator unit.

Except, ya know, it isn't because the rules say it isn't?

By your logic, a Geminae Superia is a "Celestine" and thus could be accompanied by two Geminae Superia of their own and have the revive special rule.

You mind backing up and reading the bit where I said I wasn't giving a position? Thus realising this isn't 'my logic'?

Cos that'd be greeeeat. ;-)

Also 'TFG' pops up rather frequently in a forum where the use of the term is discouraged by the 'Tenets of YMDC' article. Wouldn't it be great if people had read that?

There’s a lot of things we would like but if the rules don’t support it that’s all it is.

Absolutely. My point, Primark G, was that pre-calling others 'TFG' doesn't contribute to a useful discussion. It actually just says "I'm not listening to anyone else". And it's always best to discuss with an open mind.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Absolutely. My point, Primark G, was that pre-calling others 'TFG' doesn't contribute to a useful discussion. It actually just says "I'm not listening to anyone else". And it's always best to discuss with an open mind.

I didn't call anyone 'TFG', I said ignoring the wording of a rule to argue an invalid position is an example of 'TFG' behaviour. If you have a valid interpretation via the wording provided, clearly this is not what I'm calling 'TFG' behaviour.

If anyone believes I called them such, feel free to reach out via PM - I'll gladly personally apologise.

There is a profile for Blight Lord Terminator and a profile for Blight Lord Terminator Champion. Anything referring to Blight Lord Terminator is the former. Anything relating to the Champ will be listed separately.

Blightlord champion can't take a flail and is not intended to be able to. By way of justification wargear options:

The first option says 'any model', every other option specifys 'blightlord terminator'

It’s not the end of the world.