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Can you use the extra relic strategems to take relics in a detachment belonging to a different faction to your warlord assuming your still battleforged

Eg admech warlord in one detatchment and a spacemarine detatchment so both could have relics

U02dah4 wrote:
Can you use the extra relic strategems to take relics in a detachment belonging to a different faction to your warlord assuming your still battleforged

Eg admech warlord in one detatchment and a spacemarine detatchment so both could have relics

No. The key word is "extra". You only have access to relics from the faction from which your warlord is drawn.

Wait, does the AdMech one have special requirements? I'm pretty sure the SAM Codex let's you take relics if you have a pure SM detachment. Warlord doesn't matter. Don't have book in front of me though.

Audustum wrote:
Wait, does the AdMech one have special requirements? I'm pretty sure the SAM Codex let's you take relics if you have a pure SM detachment. Warlord doesn't matter. Don't have book in front of me though.

Well, you're wrong.

"If your army is led by a Space Marines Warlord, you may give one of the following Chapter Relics to a Space Marine CHARACTER in your army."

You get Stratagems for a pure detachment, you get relics for the Warlord.

Audustum wrote:
Wait, does the AdMech one have special requirements? I'm pretty sure the SAM Codex let's you take relics if you have a pure SM detachment. Warlord doesn't matter. Don't have book in front of me though.

From page 200 of Codex Space Marines:

If your army is led by a Space Marines Warlord, you may give one of the following Chapter Relics to a Space Marine CHARACTER in your army.

Read the FAQs. This has been clarified in the Death Guard FAQ.

You can use the Relic strategem for any faction with their own detachment, regardless of Warlord.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Audustum wrote:
Wait, does the AdMech one have special requirements? I'm pretty sure the SAM Codex let's you take relics if you have a pure SM detachment. Warlord doesn't matter. Don't have book in front of me though.

Well, you're wrong.

"If your army is led by a Space Marines Warlord, you may give one of the following Chapter Relics to a Space Marine CHARACTER in your army."

You get Stratagems for a pure detachment, you get relics for the Warlord.

Ouch, point made but someone was cranky this evening.

 Ghaz wrote:

Audustum wrote:
Wait, does the AdMech one have special requirements? I'm pretty sure the SAM Codex let's you take relics if you have a pure SM detachment. Warlord doesn't matter. Don't have book in front of me though.

From page 200 of Codex Space Marines:

If your army is led by a Space Marines Warlord, you may give one of the following Chapter Relics to a Space Marine CHARACTER in your army.

Yeah looks it. This is why I made sure to specify I didn't have the book open in front of me and just working with hazy human memory.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Read the FAQs. This has been clarified in the Death Guard FAQ.

You can use the Relic strategem for any faction with their own detachment, regardless of Warlord.

In this case it only applies to Death Guard, not to any other army. Yay for special snowflake rulings. They need to add this to all the Imperium Codex FAQs.

So if my army is lead by an admech warlord I get my free relic in admech

"If your army is led by a Space Marines Warlord, you may give one of the following Chapter Relics to a Space Marine CHARACTER in your army."

So my army takes 0 chapter relics at Base but doesn't seem to prohibit you taking them you just don't get any free

But you get strategems because it only requires a space marine detatchment

Use this strategem before the battle your army may take one extra chapter relic

Well one extra on top of 0 would be 1 so you would have 1 of each faction relic

I disagree in that you can't have "extra" if you didn't start with one. If you had no sugar then got "extra" sugar, you'd still have none.

If it said "additional" I'd be more inclined to agree. To me extra is multiplicative and additional is additive. Maybe I am reading to hard into it. -shrug-

Extra when used as an adverb literally means in addition

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
Read the FAQs. This has been clarified in the Death Guard FAQ.

You can use the Relic strategem for any faction with their own detachment, regardless of Warlord.

In this case it only applies to Death Guard, not to any other army. Yay for special snowflake rulings. They need to add this to all the Imperium Codex FAQs.

I disagree, because you're using faulty logic here.
The note was in the FAQ, under the, well... The FAQ section. (As opposed to the Errata section.) That is to say, they are answering a question about how to interpret a rule, not changing the rule's wording or function.
The wording for relics, and the relic-granting strategem, is identical in every book to my knowledge. (I don't have copies of all of them in front of me to check. If someone else does have a copy of each Codex, could they look?)

As such, the interpretation should apply to every instance of the same wording. It would not make sense to interpret things in any other way.
This is a case where RAW could be taken in one of multiple directions, (because of the multiple definitions of the word 'Extra',) but where RAI has been clearly and explicitly established, by Games Workshop, in an official document saying how the rule is meant to be used.

The Red Grail and Pask special snowflake rulings contradict this idea that it can apply to other armies though, otherwise most Aura's would never be able to affect the model casting it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The Red Grail and Pask special snowflake rulings contradict this idea that it can apply to other armies though, otherwise most Aura's would never be able to affect the model casting it.

No they don't, because those are entirely different situations.
One of those is an Errata designed to fix confusion over when and how an extra attack is made. (Since some people were trying to argue that any to-hit roll of 6+ gave every single model in the unit an extra attack.)
The other was an FAQ that clarified who could be targeted with an ability that was not an aura to begin with. (The wording in the Tank Commander rule is notably different than most Aura abilities, in that - Among other things - It targets a single unit and cannot normally target characters.)
Pask's is worded a little differently, but it is still not an aura and not an errata, making every single part of it different, and thus not a contradiction.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
Read the FAQs. This has been clarified in the Death Guard FAQ.

You can use the Relic strategem for any faction with their own detachment, regardless of Warlord.

In this case it only applies to Death Guard, not to any other army. Yay for special snowflake rulings. They need to add this to all the Imperium Codex FAQs.

Q: If my army is led by a Chaos Space Marines Warlord, and
I have a Detachment of Death Guard, can I use the Gifts of
Decay Death Guard Stratagem to include a Relic on a Death
Guard Character?
A: Yes. The only requirement to have access to
Stratagems is that you have a Detachment of the
appropriate Faction. If you have a Death Guard
Detachment, you have access to their Stratagems.

I think as you said before you might be reading too hard into it. The FAQ answer is located in the Death Guard FAQ, but clarifies that you have access to the stratagems for having a detachment of <Faction>, and so the ruling is general in nature. So they say "extra" but it can still be going from zero to one for a faction that does not include your warlord.

Here's another one for this general area:

I have an army consisting of 3 Battle-forged detachments:

One Night Lord
One Iron Warrior
One Death Guard

I have the Claws relic on the NL Warlord, but I want more, more, MORE relics! Can I use the strategem Gifts of Chaos for 1 CP to give an IW character a goody, and then use Gift of Decay for 1 CP to give a DG character one as well, instead of paying 3 CP for two?

I'm leaning yes, because Relics of Decay are not Artifacts of Chaos, so by pure RAW they're different strats for different things. If they'd just said "extra relics" I'd think otherwise, but...

 BaconCatBug wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Can you use the extra relic strategems to take relics in a detachment belonging to a different faction to your warlord assuming your still battleforged

Eg admech warlord in one detatchment and a spacemarine detatchment so both could have relics

No. The key word is "extra". You only have access to relics from the faction from which your warlord is drawn.

I'd agree with this. You can't have an 'extra' Space Marine relic if you don't already have a Soace Marine relic.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Can you use the extra relic strategems to take relics in a detachment belonging to a different faction to your warlord assuming your still battleforged

Eg admech warlord in one detatchment and a spacemarine detatchment so both could have relics

No. The key word is "extra". You only have access to relics from the faction from which your warlord is drawn.

I'd agree with this. You can't have an 'extra' Space Marine relic if you don't already have a Soace Marine relic.

Okay, but how do you sync what you're saying with the FAQ quoted in this thread?

Jacksmiles wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Can you use the extra relic strategems to take relics in a detachment belonging to a different faction to your warlord assuming your still battleforged

Eg admech warlord in one detatchment and a spacemarine detatchment so both could have relics

No. The key word is "extra". You only have access to relics from the faction from which your warlord is drawn.

I'd agree with this. You can't have an 'extra' Space Marine relic if you don't already have a Soace Marine relic.

Okay, but how do you sync what you're saying with the FAQ quoted in this thread?

Yeah, the FAQ settled this. I can see the logic in both sides but GW made a call so it's done.