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I literally have 6 boxes of unopened Sydonian Dragoons and 100s of Vostroyans.

The original intention was to create a fluffy Vostroya army but the new 8th E rules seem to make that non-optimal. Canticles only work if 100% of the detachment is AdMech (and I assume in a normal 1500-2000pt game you only have 1 detachment) same with Forge World Dogmas.

The Guard orders and Regiment bonuses won't affect the AdMech Infantry...

It seems AdMech is the worst army to allied with other factions. I'd appreciate any thoughts!

Allying actually works perfectly fine, for optimized lists. See, any optimized list will already consist of 2-3 detachments, both for command points and so that different units can have different doctrines or dogmas. Optimized admech for example will involve a mars detachment with Cawl and kastalens plus a Stygies detachment with dragoons, with other admech units spread across those detachments depending on which fits them best.

The same principle applies when mixing multiple armies, you just have to keep each faction in a self contained detachment. So ou might run a Stygies outrider detachment with dragoons and an enginseer HQ, then a vostrayan battalion with your infantry.

As for admech being the worst faction to ally to, you won't be mixing detachments regardless, so canticles doesn't penalize you anymore than any other army would.

DorianGray wrote:
Canticles only work if 100% of the detachment is AdMech (and I assume in a normal 1500-2000pt game you only have 1 detachment)

Where did you get that impression? You get 3 detachments in 1500-2000p. Allying Guard and AM is totally viable, and I do it myself.

What about with Forge World Dogmas?

The AdMech detachment gets canticles and its Dogma.

The detachments won't share any buffs.

The limit of 3 is a guideline for organised matched play in the BRB which is widely accepted but not a "rule" of any sort unless you are playing in a tournament which has made it a rule.

DorianGray wrote:
What about with Forge World Dogmas?

What about them? Each detachment gets the forgeworld dogma of it's relevant <Forge World> keyword. There are some annoyances, for example (with the exception of Knights) only Cawl can repair units in a different detachment, tech priests of both varieties can only repair within their own detachment. same goes for their auras.

You do still also get access to all forgeworld specific strategms, relics and warlord traits. as long as you follow the rules for their use.

Admech lists of above 1200-1300 or so points pretty much necessitate multiple detachments to be efficient, minimum 2. Using 3 is probably unlikely but certainly possible.

Octovol wrote:
tech priests of both varieties can only repair within their own detachment.

Enginseers say nothing about only being able to repair their own detachment, as far as I can read. Says they can repair "a single friendly <Forge World>, Astra Militarum Vehicle or Questor Mechanicus model within 3" "

So with that and the sweet new Russ rules coming out of the IG book, seems my HQ tax Enginseers might actually have a roll they can play.

With the new astra codex . Id play solo guard and aux dragoons stygia no need nothing else

 Marius Xerxes wrote:

Octovol wrote:
tech priests of both varieties can only repair within their own detachment.

Enginseers say nothing about only being able to repair their own detachment, as far as I can read. Says they can repair "a single friendly <Forge World>, Astra Militarum Vehicle or Questor Mechanicus model within 3" "

So with that and the sweet new Russ rules coming out of the IG book, seems my HQ tax Enginseers might actually have a roll they can play.

Yeah sorry I automatically unsee all AM rules for now, until it's somehow explained why theyre so overpowered.

From an Admech perspective, an enginseer is restricted to repairing on from it's forge world.

With aux-set you can't use stratagems Yoda. That means no infiltrating and no exploding 4+ in cc. So minimum patrol.

Get a single techpriest, run your Sydonians as 3x 2-man squads in a Fast Attack detachment, run the Vostroyans as a battalion or brigade.

Easy, and you get all the buffs.

Spera wrote:
With aux-set you can't use stratagems Yoda. That means no infiltrating and no exploding 4+ in cc. So minimum patrol.

Why not?

The DG Codex FAQ, in rather general terms, says that "The only requirement to have access to Stratagems is that you have a Detachment of the appropriate Faction." That answer was in response to the question of someone having a CSM Warlord (and detachment) and also having a separate DG detachment and using the DG Stratagem to give one of the characters in the DG detachment a Relic. The FAQ gave them permission to do so.

So you have two different detachments from two different Codex's and each gets to use the Stratagems allowed to them. Interestingly enough, another FAQ furthers on this saying that a Stratagem from one Codex (CSM in this case) can be used on units in a detachment from a separate Codex (in this case DG) as long as all criteria are met. Tide of Traitors was used as the example since "Chaos Cultists" is a unit contained in both respective Codex.

Unless I am missing something, I do not see a restriction on Aux Detachments saying they do not get to use Stratagems. They just take 1 away from the overall amount of CP that you have access to.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:

Spera wrote:
With aux-set you can't use stratagems Yoda. That means no infiltrating and no exploding 4+ in cc. So minimum patrol.

Why not?

The DG Codex FAQ, in rather general terms, says that "The only requirement to have access to Stratagems is that you have a Detachment of the appropriate Faction." That answer was in response to the question of someone having a CSM Warlord (and detachment) and also having a separate DG detachment and using the DG Stratagem to give one of the characters in the DG detachment a Relic. The FAQ gave them permission to do so.

So you have two different detachments from two different Codex's and each gets to use the Stratagems allowed to them. Interestingly enough, another FAQ furthers on this saying that a Stratagem from one Codex (CSM in this case) can be used on units in a detachment from a separate Codex (in this case DG) as long as all criteria are met. Tide of Traitors was used as the example since "Chaos Cultists" is a unit contained in both respective Codex.

Unless I am missing something, I do not see a restriction on Aux Detachments saying they do not get to use Stratagems. They just take 1 away from the overall amount of CP that you have access to.

I dont have it to hand to show you at the moment, but if you read the blurb before strategms, relics and warlord traits, auxiliary detachments are excluded from the detachment requirements for being allowed to use such things.

Octovol wrote:
I dont have it to hand to show you at the moment, but if you read the blurb before strategms, relics and warlord traits, auxiliary detachments are excluded from the detachment requirements for being allowed to use such things.

Got it, you are correct. I was looking in the BRB and not the Codex itself. Thanks for pointing that out!