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Can Militarum Tempestus detachments include Auxilia units and still get the Storm Troopers regimental doctrine?

MT units can be included in an astra militarum detachment without affecting that detachment's access to a regimental doctrine, but the codex states that MT units do not benefit from a regimental doctrine unless every unit in the detachment is from the MT (when they'll gain the Storm Troopers doctrine).

Under "Advisors and Auxilia" in the codex, it then says that tech priests, Auxilia units etc can be included in an AM detachment and won't prevent them gaining their regimental doctrine, but does this apply to MT detachments as well? Or does the previous rule overrule this?

I'd like to know as well, I want to include Bullgryns in my Scions Bataillon but I don't own the codex.

I think that the way to look at it is like this:

If you've taken no other item that has the <Regiment> Keyword, then you're able to get the Tempestus doctrine. Taking anything else from the Auxilla list won't affect you, as otherwise taking Valkyries would make it so that the Tempestus can't have their Regimental Doctrine.

Yeah I believe being denied anything that isn't <Militarum Tempestus> to be able to keep the Stormtroopers doctrine would be pretty harsh, there's just 4 entries for Tempestus after all.

Harshly, the Tempestus paragraph doesn't have the same "(apart from the exceptions noted opposite)" caveat that the <REGIMENT> section does. Strictly RAW the last sentence of the Tempestus paragraph says every unit must be Tempestus to get the Storm Troopers ability. I'm guessing that wasn't their intent, but I can foresee arguments!


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 Kanluwen wrote:
I think that the way to look at it is like this:

If you've taken no other item that has the <Regiment> Keyword, then you're able to get the Tempestus doctrine. Taking anything else from the Auxilla list won't affect you, as otherwise taking Valkyries would make it so that the Tempestus can't have their Regimental Doctrine.

I'd totally play it this way too.

I don't see that the parenthetical heads-up about the exceptions is necessary in order for the those exceptions to apply. Like, obviously if that parenthetical didn't exist, nothing would change about how every other regiment interacts with things like Commissars -- the "Advisors and Auxilla" section is itself sufficient to create the exceptions. Further, the absence of the parenthetical does not suggest to me that the text intends Scions to be treated differently either; probably the writer just figured that one heads-up is sufficient and didn't see the need to repeat himself. The reader has already been informed that there are exceptions coming up.

Dionysodorus wrote:
I don't see that the parenthetical heads-up about the exceptions is necessary in order for the those exceptions to apply. Like, obviously if that parenthetical didn't exist, nothing would change about how every other regiment interacts with things like Commissars -- the "Advisors and Auxilla" section is itself sufficient to create the exceptions. Further, the absence of the parenthetical does not suggest to me that the text intends Scions to be treated differently either; probably the writer just figured that one heads-up is sufficient and didn't see the need to repeat himself. The reader has already been informed that there are exceptions coming up.

Aye, totally agreed. You know how some people are, though!

So it was sort of confirmed on the 40K Facebook page that Scions do keep the regimental doctrine even if including Auxilia units. Someone asked the same question and there was a reply from someone not connected to GW 'confirming' it, but then GW agreed with the comment below it. Take from that what you will!

Very little, alas....
There been retractions on the Facebook page, as the facebook team is not the 'studio' and sometimes posts an answer before verifying!