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Hi Rules Lawyers,

quick question is in the title. Its actually 1 question for 2 situations.


Example 1, in general: i have a Scion squad with 1 sarge, 5 HS las and 4 Hot Shot volleyguns 9,1 inch away and move only the 5 HS las 1 inch closer to get in rapid fire range, but dont move the Volleyguns to avoid -1 to hit penalty. Yes, no?

Example 2 ( say: dikk move i want to execute): A Valkyrie drops a Scion squad with 1 sarge, 5 HS las and 4 HS volleyguns 9,1 inch away via Grav chute insertion from the enemy. Due to the Grav chute rule i may move the HS las 1 inch closer, so they are in rapid fire range, dont move the Volleyguns to avoid penalty and still be able to shoot (without -1 penalty!) this turn, possible? ( guess no? because disembarking still counts as "moved" even with the wonky Grav chute rule which applies before movement?)

In general i couldn't find anything in the rules which says i have to move a whole unit.

Thanks!

I'm pretty sure that the game doesn't care about units moving in any way any longer, it just cares about models moving or not (and by that, I mean no core rules - it's possible some units have rules that do care whether a unit instead of a model moved or not). So, yes, you can move some models in a unit, and not others, so that you can maximize your firepower.

The rules for weapon types are now granular to the model level. If your heavy weapon dude didn't move it doesn't get the penalty, since the penalty is a property of the "Heavy" weapon type, not the general shooting rules.

Thanks so far, that clearly answers Example 1.

I'm not sure about example 2. Do all the models count as moved when they disembarked via grav chute? Usually "disembarked" models should count as moved even if they dont move further in this turn, how does it work with Grav chute insertion?

Kremling wrote:
Thanks so far, that clearly answers Example 1.

I'm not sure about example 2. Do all the models count as moved when they disembarked via grav chute? Usually "disembarked" models should count as moved even if they dont move further in this turn, how does it work with Grav chute insertion?

From the transport rules:

Units that disembark can then act normally (move, shoot, charge, fight, etc.) during the remainder of their turn. Note though, that even if you don’t move disembarking units further in your Movement phase, they still count as having moved for any rules purposes, such as shooting Heavy weapons (pg 180).

Grav Chute insertion is just a fancy disembarking method. "Models may disembark from this vehicle at any point during its move..."

Grav chute insertion seems to follow all the ordinary rules for disembarking, except that it can happen at any point in the transport's move and the disembarking models can't be within 9" of the enemy. So they count as having moved.

Thanks for clarification guys

Model by model!

1. Model by model basis. A unit is allowed to move as far as its movement characteristics allow. Models in the said unit can move UP TO the said movement limit, including 0.

2. Any form of disembark/deep strike is considered to be a special type of movement in lieu of its given movement characteristic. Hence, for the purposes of determining whether a model has moved or not for the sake of determining the modifiers for shooting, it has moved.