[2000] - Black Legion & Emperors Children C&C Needed

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**Aipoch**

+++ Black Legion and Emperors Children (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [115 PL, 2000pts] +++

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [45 PL, 1286pts] ++

Legion: Black Legion

+ HQ +

Abaddon the Despoiler [12 PL, 240pts]: Drach'nyen, Talon of Horus

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [8 PL, 156pts]: Combi-bolter, Force stave, No Chaos Mark, Prescience, Smite, Warptime

+ Elites +

Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 209pts]: No Chaos Mark
. . Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-bolter, Power fist
. . Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. . Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. . Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. . Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Power maul, Reaper autocannon

Chosen [11 PL, 117pts]: No Chaos Mark
. . Chosen Champion: Chainaxe, Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades
. . Chosen w/ heavy weapon: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Heavy bolter
. . Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades
. . Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades
. . Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades
. . Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades

Hellforged Predator [12 PL, 191pts]: Havoc launcher, Infernal hunger, Twin lascannon
. . 2 Heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Hellforged Land Raider Proteus [19 PL, 373pts]: Accursed Phylactery, Havoc launcher, Infernal hunger, Twin heavy bolter, 2x Twin lascannon

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [39 PL, 714pts] ++

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL, 180pts]: Intoxicating Elixir, Malefic talon, Malefic talon
. . Slaanesh: Diabolic Strength, Smite

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 76pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Mark of Slaanesh, Power maul, The Black Mace

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [9 PL, 147pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. . 26x Chaos Cultist w/ autopistol and brutal assault weapon: 26x Autopistol, 26x Brutal assault weapon
. . Chaos Cultist w/ special weapon: Flamer
. . Chaos Cultist w/ special weapon: Flamer
. . Chaos Cultist w/ special weapon: Flamer
. . Cultist Champion: Brutal assault weapon and Autopistol

Noise Marines [6 PL, 113pts]
. . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades
. . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic Blaster
. . Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades, Sonic blaster

Noise Marines [6 PL, 113pts]
. . Marine w/ Blastmaster: Blastmaster, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades
. . 3x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic Blaster
. . Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Frag & Krak grenades, Sonic blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 85pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, Mark of Slaanesh, Smoke Launchers

Plan is to have The Armless One and Terminator Sorcerer arriving with the Terminators from teleport. Chosen in the Proteus, running with the Predator nearby. Noise Marines in the Rhino, or happily sitting in cover on objectives. Daemon Prince and Dark Apostle running with the Cultists bubblewrap, either dive bombing straight for enemy lines or camping on an objective and fending off the rabble.

With 8 command points to start (using 1 to take a second Artefact), I feel pretty good about my stratagem options, as the list does not rely heavily on spamming "fire twice" or "attack twice" types. Should get a lot of mileage out of bringing the cultists back a couple of times, and having everyone pile into combat around Abby to basically ignore morale has been awesome thus far.

Looking for overall thoughts on what can be improved, tweaked, or if I have overlooked something entirely. Thanks!

**techsoldaten**

I don't know whether to like this list or hate it. Feels like it's going to work against some armies but not others.

Very elite choice of troops, they are going to do some damage. Very vulnerable as well, if the Land Raider goes down first turn, the Chosen are going to be very limited in what they can do.

A few thoughts:

1) Point for point, you may be better off replacing the Chosen + Land Raider with a Havocs + Chaos Bastion. I know it sounds silly, but the Bastion is pretty tough, comes with 4 Heavy Bolters, and gives you excellent firing position all over the board. It keeps you from having to worry about your transport from getting popped.

2) You have over 500 points spent on 4 HQ units. Consider switching to a Black Legion Battalion detachment and putting everything there. It works out to 8 CPs but you would have points to spend on things besides HQs.

3) 2 squads of 15 cultists instead of 30 might make them better objective grabbers, give you more control of the board.

**Aipoch**

Interesting ideas. Just to clarify, the Chosen aren't a Troops choice. Just the Noise Marines and Cultists.

So you're thinking the +2 to toughness and +4 wounds is worth the loss of mobility and aura abilities? Were you thinking a unit of Havocs with 4 Lascannons to place inside?

How would I go about switching everything to a Black Legion Battalion? The Noise Marines would become Elites, leaving me with only the Cultists as Troops.

I did think about breaking the Cultists up into two smaller units, one for each HQ, but I don't think it would be as point efficient. Cultists drop like flies, and 15 aren't difficult to wipe out in a single round of shooting. I figured with 30 of them, they're large enough to require a lot of dedicated fire to wipe out in a single turn, and when they do get down to only a handful of guys left, I only have one unit to use Tide of Traitors on, saving me CP's.

Though the HQ's are expensive, three of them are absolute beatsticks in combat, and I've been told I'd do well to have a Sorcerer, and that loadout seemed to be the best. You don't think they're worth it though?