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It might be that the sort of folks who play Nids are doing so more for the fluff and models than competitiveness.

I have known a number of people pick up armies based purely on their competitiveness, even if they dislike the models and care nothing for the armies background.

OTOH I recently heard somebody state that Daughters of Khaine had a 76% win rate because of the type of player they attract, not necessarily the power level of the army. I have no idea of how true that is. Or if they were serious. My point being that some comments can muddy the waters.

What I do know, from years of playing against marine players is that Tyranids are still perceived as...an NPC army, if you will. We are 'supposed' to get shot up on the approach and then beaten in melee combat.

I would prefer to see the Carnifex bought in power to justify the points.

In second edition it was a key piece because it was just so damned tanky. It wasn't too bad in CC either with high WS, STR and decent attacks.

It's entirely possible that I am still salty about the toughest model in 2nd edition having a lower Toughness than an Aeldari Wraithlord.