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In the past GW have used the release of a codex as a way to launch new models. It has been a rare occation (as in Gathering Storm) when this pattern has been broken.
My question is this: With the release of 8th edition, will we also see a transition to a new release pattern from GW? A pattern more akin to the one we see from companies as Wyrd or PP where several armies receive new models simultaneously.
They're trying to get every army up to date with a codex in as short a time as possible, which doesn't leave much space for model releases. They've also hinted that after all the codecies are out they'll be back to campaign supplements which is where I expect we'll see at least some of the armies get model releases.
Besides, GW have already admited that their current production capacity is maxed out and it'll be next year before they can increase it.
In the past GW have used the release of a codex as a way to launch new models. It has been a rare occation (as in Gathering Storm) when this pattern has been broken.
My question is this: With the release of 8th edition, will we also see a transition to a new release pattern from GW? A pattern more akin to the one we see from companies as Wyrd or PP where several armies receive new models simultaneously.
I sure hope so
The new release pattern for GW seems to be the AoS one: largely nothing.
Every 5 or 6 months, a release with maybe half a dozen kits will happen.
GW have used this opportunity to prune the rules of any non-citadel possibilities to kill their competition.
I'm pretty sure that's what any smart company would do. If you make a game and sell product to support that game, other companies are making a product that can be used in your game, it's just smart business to do everything you can to mitigate the effects of those products on your bottom line.
If it was my company I would carefully craft rules etc to minimize potential losses.
How would you like it if it was your livelihood that was constantly threatened by someone trying to "steal" money out of your pocket?
I don't care what format its in or who it is, I just want non-marine models for 40k. The latest few releases have felt like Groundhog Day.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Jack Spratt, I'm with you, I prefer this more. Codexs without miniatures, so they can be released as fast as possible. Launch miniatures with campaings, or just release them by themselves, now they have all the rules you need on the box, and the matched play points are as PDF on the website. So you don't need campaings or books to be able to play the miniatures they release.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
GW have used this opportunity to prune the rules of any non-citadel possibilities to kill their competition.
I'm pretty sure that's what any smart company would do. If you make a game and sell product to support that game, other companies are making a product that can be used in your game, it's just smart business to do everything you can to mitigate the effects of those products on your bottom line.
If it was my company I would carefully craft rules etc to minimize potential losses.
How would you like it if it was your livelihood that was constantly threatened by someone trying to "steal" money out of your pocket?
No trying to be an ass, but.....
Indeed. It's hardly a 'bad business practice'. More like a 'shrewd move'.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Tokhuah wrote: Smart business unless GW turns off enough people that they stop buying product. You will never hear from that group on this forum...
Really? 95% of Dakka posts seem to start with "I'm done with GW'...
GW can't keep up with demand just now so I dare say they're not worrying. Not white- knighting, just fact stating.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Tokhuah wrote: Smart business unless GW turns off enough people that they stop buying product. You will never hear from that group on this forum...
Really? 95% of Dakka posts seem to start with "I'm done with GW'...
GW can't keep up with demand just now so I dare say they're not worrying. Not white- knighting, just fact stating.
The levels of hate for GW on Dakka are incredible. It's like half the forum has Stockholm syndrome and needs to vocalise how much they hate their 'captor' before carrying on feeding GW money.
As regards OP I think it's the rush to get codexes out that is causing the change in release schedule.
iGuy91 wrote: You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote: You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote: Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
I really like the change from large army release every few months to small weekly releases. It keeps interest high and each week you have new and interesting things on the community website to read with your morning coffee.
Previews of the difference codexes, rules, models and a nice split between new games, AOS and 40k seems to be developing. I do look forward to lots of new model goodness next year and I think the fact the GW is literally maxed out in capacity, has a crazy high stock value and engaging with the community means the future looks bright.
The first rule of unarmed combat is: don’t be unarmed.
GW have used this opportunity to prune the rules of any non-citadel possibilities to kill their competition.
I'm pretty sure that's what any smart company would do. If you make a game and sell product to support that game, other companies are making a product that can be used in your game, it's just smart business to do everything you can to mitigate the effects of those products on your bottom line.
If it was my company I would carefully craft rules etc to minimize potential losses.
How would you like it if it was your livelihood that was constantly threatened by someone trying to "steal" money out of your pocket?
No trying to be an ass, but.....
You can say none of this would happen if GW didn't shoot themselves in the foot though. They had their bitz orders and other stuff but decided not to do them anymore. So of course someone will come in and pick up the demand that people wanted. After all if Games Workshop was so worried about their "lively hood" the wouldn't have done this in the first place. They created the mess. Don't blame the people who took up the mantle to give people what they wanted.
If this was your company would have you stopped the bitz business? If it was your company would you have done all the stupid things GW did?
For now Original Poster, we are in new territory. Either Games Workshop has changed new books without new minis, or they are just trying to do catch up like someone else mentioned. (sorry forgot the name.) Thing is, it wouldn't surprise me at the end of 2018 or even starting 2019 new codices will come out with new minis and GW becoming of old to "force" people to buy new books for the new minis. Or as someone else stated, they will use supplemental books which I prefer so it will not invalidate codices previously bought and introduce new minis and abilities.
Time will tell if GW actually changed, or they are the same company and it's all smoke and mirrors. Even if it is all smoke and mirrors, I prefer this to what we had of old.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
They are just trying to spam the codexes out as fast as possible. Which is good because it keeps a churn of activity and interest. It also seems to be generating sales.
Also while the Indexes were great (or at least interesting) when they came out - they are becoming old fast. Especially since the Codexes are, if not obviously creeping, pretty clearly a step up (in most cases anyway).
Knowing that say Dark Eldar won't get a Codex probably until at least March next year is saddening to me. If you don't like DE insert Orks or Tau. Imagine if it was the old system with "you might get a Codex in mid 2020, maybe, if we bother, might just break out 9th edition instead and re-release Space Marines". Those players start tuning out. Its better this way.
I'd guess by April next year they will have released all the books and start going down the AoS release route. That means small sub-factions with an army book of their own, 3~ boxes and some characters. A bit like Harlequins/Ad Mech/Skitarii. Enough for a keen collector to make a full army of, but also easy to slot in to a wider faction.
They might go all out with something new - Death Guard was a bit more than many were expecting - but its a bit of a gamble. There are rumours of a new Xenos race - but what if no one is that interested? I guess if the models and rules are good enough they will sell.
It's possible that GW isn't trying to release models at all...and I hope that's the case. I would rather see a focus on rules and gameplay, with model updates for obviously ancient sculpts. What we don't need right now are new UNITS, with their inevitable power creep and fluff butchery.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions from their releases the last year or so, they're getting 8th through the gates and until that's done the release schedule is going to be anything but normal.
8th in itself is a big step away from what they were doing earlier though, but we have no idea what they're going to do once the codices are all out.
Here's hoping they update old finecast and metal models, but it's probably going to be even more Space Marines...
GW have used this opportunity to prune the rules of any non-citadel possibilities to kill their competition.
I'm pretty sure that's what any smart company would do. If you make a game and sell product to support that game, other companies are making a product that can be used in your game, it's just smart business to do everything you can to mitigate the effects of those products on your bottom line.
If it was my company I would carefully craft rules etc to minimize potential losses.
How would you like it if it was your livelihood that was constantly threatened by someone trying to "steal" money out of your pocket?
No trying to be an ass, but.....
You can say none of this would happen if GW didn't shoot themselves in the foot though. They had their bitz orders and other stuff but decided not to do them anymore. So of course someone will come in and pick up the demand that people wanted. After all if Games Workshop was so worried about their "lively hood" the wouldn't have done this in the first place. They created the mess. Don't blame the people who took up the mantle to give people what they wanted.
If this was your company would have you stopped the bitz business? If it was your company would you have done all the stupid things GW did?
No, but I'm not the CEO, and if I was I would be worried I'd get fired for screwing up as much as prior helmsmen.
Prior bad acts shouldn't cloud judgement from anyone willing to attempt to repair the damage.
GW lost my $ for almost 25years. I tried to come back in 98,04,13...but nothing good drew me in until all this 8th stuff made me want to come back full throttle.
I'm not sure you understood what my comment said.
But getting back to "blind in 18", good I'm happy with the rumors they've released. It's all speculation & innuendo anyway till there's product on shelves.
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You can say none of this would happen if GW didn't shoot themselves in the foot though. They had their bitz orders and other stuff but decided not to do them anymore. So of course someone will come in and pick up the demand that people wanted. After all if Games Workshop was so worried about their "lively hood" the wouldn't have done this in the first place. They created the mess. Don't blame the people who took up the mantle to give people what they wanted.
If this was your company would have you stopped the bitz business? If it was your company would you have done all the stupid things GW did?
How is stopping the bitz business a bad decision for the company? They mold complete plastic sprues, so bitz are not part of the production process and are a result of people deciding they don't need certain parts. Actually casting separate bitz for all sprues would require massively expanded production capabilities. So would I have decided to scrap it if it was my company? Very likely.
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You can say none of this would happen if GW didn't shoot themselves in the foot though. They had their bitz orders and other stuff but decided not to do them anymore. So of course someone will come in and pick up the demand that people wanted. After all if Games Workshop was so worried about their "lively hood" the wouldn't have done this in the first place. They created the mess. Don't blame the people who took up the mantle to give people what they wanted.
If this was your company would have you stopped the bitz business? If it was your company would you have done all the stupid things GW did?
How is stopping the bitz business a bad decision for the company? They mold complete plastic sprues, so bitz are not part of the production process and are a result of people deciding they don't need certain parts. Actually casting separate bitz for all sprues would require massively expanded production capabilities. So would I have decided to scrap it if it was my company? Very likely.
Well if 3rd party stores can be profitable by buying boxes by GW prices and sell them in pieces no doubt GW could do that even better. After all they aren't paying full RPP for getting it!
Though yeah plastic hurt bits store viability along with raising character prices to ridiculous. GW could have competed with this though by making add-on sprues separately on sale. Bits sale on large scale and sell 2-3 or more products to make one squad(and still be cheaper than current istuation without 3rd party)
I don't think that the game needs any new units, but for their releases, I think it's high time that GW updated their line so that metal was phased out. I'm young, admittedly, but when the sculpt of Jain Zar is older than I am, there's a problem.
Other than that, I'd love to see better options for HQs (DE players have been wanting bikes for HQs for ~7 years now.)
Finally, I would really like to see more armies get special weapon releases, like the Space Marines have. I would gladly give up scrounging eBay for Plasma Guns if GW offered to sell me the sprues directly...I'd even pay a small premium for it.
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