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Hi everyone.
First of all, I decided to play Ynnari after falling in love with the Triumvirate. Later, I learnt the Visarch is unplayable and settled to field only the good ones with him as some sort of count-as.
I also love Wraith units, so I wanted to field a Wraithknight. But it's so difficult to justify its points cost (even the cheaper sword and board one) that I have kind of conceded: a Wraithlord would be a good enough substitute.
This is the list I have come up with (in green the units I beleive more competitive, in red the rule of cool alternative). I have some problems fitting things into detcahments: I need one for Ynnari and a small one for CWE to get access to the stratagems, and I would like to maximize the CP.
I will accept any advice, but:
a)Yvraine, the Yncarne and some count-as for the Visarch (here an Autarch on foot or Asurmen), 5 dark reapers, 8 S Scorpions and at least 5 Harlequins must stay. I already have the models for them, some painted, some converted.
b)I know the Falcon is suboptimal, but I love the model and as a bunker for the Reapers+Yvraine it feels better right. I would also like to have a Wraithlord, it's my consolation rpice for not fielding the Wraithknight. Wraithblades/wraithguard are also high priority.
c)I hate Guardian models and I would prefer to stay clear from them.
Without further addo, the list(s):

Yvraine
Yncarne
Harlequin Troupe: 5 models, 3 fusion pistols, 5 caresses
Harlequin Troupe: 5 models, 3 fusion pistols, 5 caresses
Starweaver: 2 shuriken cannons
Starweaver: 2 shuriken cannons
8 Striking Scorpions: Scorpion Claw
5 Dark Reapers: Tempest Launcher
Warlock
Falcon: Pulse laser, Starcannon, twin shuriken catapults
Wave Serpent: 3 shuriken cannons
5 Wraithblades: ghostswords
Autarch: Star glaive
Wraithlord: Ghostglaive, two shuriken catapults
Rangers
Rangers
1994 points


Wraithknight: Titanic ghostglaive, shield, two starcannons
Asurmen
10 Dire Avengers: exarch with two catapults
1976 points

Thanks!

Please, any suggestions? :(

The first list is clearly better. As you said, a WK isn't very good. And while Dire avengers are somewhat decent, they won't be great if they have to footslog (you'll probably want to infiltrate them with the stratagem, but then you can't have Asurmen without them, unless you pay an extra 2 CP).
It's hard to give you precise pointers, as you don't want to be ultra competitive, and there are many units you want to include because they look good.

In your first list, the autarch won't be of much use. Did you consider running the Visarch as a troupe master instead? Or even as himself. He's pretty much worse than a troupe master for almost twice as many points, but if he rides in a Starweaver, at least you have a good delivery system.
Also, I think a Hemlock works better with the Yncarne. Usually first turn I move the hemlock into my opponent's deployment zone, and nuke something. Then the Yncarne comes in, and stays behind the hemlock (you have to get good placement so the hemlock is always closer to enemy units than the yncarne is, so she's protected). The enemy then has to destroy the hemlock first (with the -1 to hit), and if he/she succeeds, the Yncarne can soulburst-charge something to protect herself from shooting.

Well, if its a mild competitive list, then you have not thought not fully about the list.
I'd never go out without Ycarne. Its too good to leave out. The HQ is fine as are the Harlies.
The rest needs a little thinking. Wraithguard with D-scythes are the best choice of the Wraith* constructs. They should be transported by a Serpent. Wraithlords are meh, too slow and too less damage output and they cannot actively contribute to SfD. Falcons are also not superior to Serpents. I'd give the Reapers a second Serpent and mount them initially if there is a high chance that you go second. Scorpions and Rangers are fine. Not a bad list. However, I'd build a Ynnari list around Fire Dragons and Wraithguard in Serpents and take supplementary units like Windriders and whatnot.

fresus wrote:The first list is clearly better. As you said, a WK isn't very good. And while Dire avengers are somewhat decent, they won't be great if they have to footslog (you'll probably want to infiltrate them with the stratagem, but then you can't have Asurmen without them, unless you pay an extra 2 CP).
It's hard to give you precise pointers, as you don't want to be ultra competitive, and there are many units you want to include because they look good.

In your first list, the autarch won't be of much use. Did you consider running the Visarch as a troupe master instead? Or even as himself. He's pretty much worse than a troupe master for almost twice as many points, but if he rides in a Starweaver, at least you have a good delivery system.
Also, I think a Hemlock works better with the Yncarne. Usually first turn I move the hemlock into my opponent's deployment zone, and nuke something. Then the Yncarne comes in, and stays behind the hemlock (you have to get good placement so the hemlock is always closer to enemy units than the yncarne is, so she's protected). The enemy then has to destroy the hemlock first (with the -1 to hit), and if he/she succeeds, the Yncarne can soulburst-charge something to protect herself from shooting.

I know my limits are quite restrictive, but those are the models I like. Even then, you gave good suggestions.
The Autarch isn't fully useless, he would give rerolls to the Reapers. I could use it as a Troupe Master, but the heavily armored model doesn't suit the rules at all :( the Visarch is atrocious, a beatstick with no synergy. I wouldn't mind getting a Farseer into the list, but again It would require heavy conversion.
Good idea with the Hemlock. I will consider it for early Yncarne summoning.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, if its a mild competitive list, then you have not thought not fully about the list.
I'd never go out without Ycarne. Its too good to leave out. The HQ is fine as are the Harlies.
The rest needs a little thinking. Wraithguard with D-scythes are the best choice of the Wraith* constructs. They should be transported by a Serpent. Wraithlords are meh, too slow and too less damage output and they cannot actively contribute to SfD. Falcons are also not superior to Serpents. I'd give the Reapers a second Serpent and mount them initially if there is a high chance that you go second. Scorpions and Rangers are fine. Not a bad list. However, I'd build a Ynnari list around Fire Dragons and Wraithguard in Serpents and take supplementary units like Windriders and whatnot.

I meant I want to have a casual list with models I like but have it be as competitive as possible.
Units not bennefiting from SfD (or bennefiting less) will be in a CWE Detachment, for example the Wraithlord (which is a must-have for me) or the vehicles.
I feel bad having a 12 man vehicle for 5-6 models. The Falcon feels less wasted also as a sit back heavy weapon platform.
About the Wraithguard, I like all four units. Ghostsword wraithblades are cheap and better against hordes. D-scythe guard are good all around and great with Ynnari, bit more expensive. I will check if I can fit them. D-cannon guard are tempting because I could save the transport.

I think if you are taking a ynnari list with dark reapers, you are doing yourself an injustice by not taking a full squad.

Wyldcarde wrote:
I think if you are taking a ynnari list with dark reapers, you are doing yourself an injustice by not taking a full squad.

I know, I just can't be arsed to convert 5 more
I guess I don't want to exploit WotF to the max.

On the upside, they are less of a fire magnet that way, right?

What do you think my list lacks more? Anti-tank/monster? Anti-horde? Anti-elite?
I want to tune the wraith unit (and maybe other elements) according to it.