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I am not the most competent at reading rules

When more dakka states: On hit roll of 6+ immediately make extra attack against the same unit with same weapon.

Does this mean you get 1 more shots or does it mean you get to shoot withe the profile of the weapon again.

Exampel: Pistol 1 generates on a 6+, 1 extra attack
Heavy 3 generates on a 6+, 3 extra attack

Grateful for any help !

It's sloppy wording and going to cause arguments. It's not made clear whether you get all your shots (since the only way to attack with a ranged weapon is to fire all shots) or if it's a single shot.

The funny thing is they have done multiple versions of this rule and none have the same wording but so far seem to have all been clear (MotA is all shots, Storm Trooper Doctrines is a single shot). Seems the big FAQ document is going to need an FAQ.

Atm I'm leaning towards all shots since it says extra attack and not extra hit.

Since its orks I wouldn't even be against it as an opponent either.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Atm I'm leaning towards all shots since it says extra attack and not extra hit.

Since its orks I wouldn't even be against it as an opponent either.

FWIW I agree with that. The stratagem is so bad even if you give them their full allotment of shots, and after all, it is MOAR DAKKA!

Yes I really hope we can get a clarification on this. I tried to play with the stratagem were you only get 1 shoot on a 6+ and it was so bad Better to just use the command points to save a unit on morale

It's completely worthless if it just gives 1 shot instead of a whole new salvo. It boosts unit's effeciency by ~16%, which is alright for let's say, SM tacticals, but for ork shooters it is basically nothing.

If you use it on 30 shoota boys, you get on average 10 more shots, 1/3 of them will hit (3.3), half of that will wound T4 (1.65), 1/3 of that will punch through 3+(0.55), so it is not even "guaranteed" to kill an extra marine when you use it.

If you get extra shooting attacks, then it actually could be worth using, big shootas firing additional volleys would be the juiciest bit, as for every 2 big shootas firing with this stratagem on you basically add in a 3-d one for free! Not overpowered given orky ballistic skill and and certainly worth 1 CP. Even then it'd be situational since a single -1 to hit makes this stratagem stop working entirely...

I did my research on wording and, sadly, I'm starting to realise that it GW means crappy variant with extra shots. Look up wordings of Tempestus tactics in IG codex, Mordian stratagem, also in main rulebook "attack" means 1 shot from a gun.
Personally I'll houserule this with any player who is willing to let me have at least some use out of my shooty ork army.

It means that you get one extra shot per successful hit. It kind of sucks, but that is how it is. It leads to 16.7% more shooting from the unit. Only rarely worth a CP imo, but sometimes you just need to do that extra wound of damage.

I find it highly unlikely it will let you shoot the entire weapon again. I feel like from GWs perspective they figured it would be balanced because orks fire so many shots that they would get good value out of this. Which as we all know is absolute crap, but this is GW making rules for the Orks.

From a RAW perspective the ork dakka stratagem says for each hit roll of 6 make an additional attack with the same weapon. If we look at the rules for shooting they say

Number of Attacks:

Each time a model shoots a ranged
weapon, it will make a number of attacks.

You roll one dice for each attack being
made. The number of attacks a model
can make with a weapon, and therefore
the number of dice you can roll, is found
on the weapon’s profile, along with the
weapon’s type. A weapon’s type can
impact the number of attacks it can make.

Because the stratagem says you make an additional attack I am going to take that to mean you get an extra shot with the weapon used.

I would absolutely love someone to prove me wrong and throw the orks a bone, but I think its truly intended to be absolute garbage by design.

Anybody have that and IG codex at hand? IG has strategem that does pretty much same thing. If there's no notable differents in wording IG would get extra round of shootings as well...

Albeit their most useful gun is lascannon for which it's same but also plasma gun...Double up bonus plasma shots.

The AM stratagem says "that model can immediately shoot again with the same weapon at the same target (these bonus attacks cannot themselves
generate any further attacks)".

I guess that does put the final nail in the coffin of the ork one, proving the ork one is indeed only a single extra shot.

Well just on a logical basis I'd assume it's a single shot of that weapon at the profile. Otherwise, if someone could figure out a way to get that on a Twin AC, with 12 rolls you're bound to get at least one six in there, you could get a LOT of extra shots in, basically might as well change the profile to Heavy 24.

Gwarok wrote:
Well just on a logical basis I'd assume it's a single shot of that weapon at the profile. Otherwise, if someone could figure out a way to get that on a Twin AC, with 12 rolls you're bound to get at least one six in there, you could get a LOT of extra shots in, basically might as well change the profile to Heavy 24.

The funny thing is that Mordian Stratagem Volley Fire is worded, a single guardsman could get 20 shots with a FRFSRF Lasgun (4 shots at 12", each getting a 6+ to hit, each of those 4 shots exploding into another 4 shots), and since it's only limited to MORDIAN INFANTRY, you can use them on Heavy Bolter HW squads too. Or use it on a SWS with 3 Plasmaguns.

If that's not more dakka then i don't know what is.

They could have just made it shoot twice, like the Tyranids get.