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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/07 23:23:52
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Been Around the Block
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From what I read, you get 3 Command Points by default just for having Battleforged detachment.
So the question is, what happen if I have multiple detachments, does that mean I get that Battleforge 3 Command Points multiple time (ex: 2 Detachments = 6 Battleforge Command Points by default)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/07 23:25:51
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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How many detachments are you thinking you will run?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/07 23:27:53
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You are either battle forged or not. You have status “battle forged” if all units are organised into detachments. No matter how many you have, you only get thus status once.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/07 23:28:45
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Norn Queen
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darrekbaal wrote:From what I read, you get 3 Command Points by default just for having Battleforged detachment. So the question is, what happen if I have multiple detachments, does that mean I get that Battleforge 3 Command Points multiple time (ex: 2 Detachments = 6 Battleforge Command Points by default)
No. An army is either battleforged or it isn't. You get 3 CP for being Battleforged plus whatever bonus your detachments give you. Example: You run a Battleforged army with a Patrol detachment. You get 3+0 CP. Example: You run a battleforged army with a Brigade Detachment and a Spearhead Detachment. You get 3+9+1 CP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/07 23:44:58
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Been Around the Block
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aah ok, i thought so, cause it would be crazy if people get extra 3 command points for each battleforge for like 3 patrol detachments = 9 command points O_O
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/08 00:01:55
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Lieutenant General
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darrekbaal wrote:aah ok, i thought so, cause it would be crazy if people get extra 3 command points for each battleforge for like 3 patrol detachments = 9 command points O_O
You still seem confused as to what Battle-forged is. As the others have stated you're only Battle-forged if all of the models in the army are in a detachment, not for each detachment you field. For example, if you have three detachments and no models outside of a detachment then the entire army is Battle-forged. Likewise, if you have three detachments and one or more models outside of a detachment, then the whole army is not Battle-forged. You don't have three Battle-forged detachments plus a few extra models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/08 00:16:06
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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In a team tournament each list can generate its own CPs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/08 00:45:58
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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This doesn't seem to be quite on topic, and whether the statement is correct or not depends on the tournament rules. In the team games I play, we both do and do not count our teammate as being in the same army, depending on each specific matchup. In a team tournament I ran, I did count teammates as being in the same army, and they would have together generated 3 for battle-forged, plus whatever detachment each individual ran.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/08 07:00:29
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Ghaz wrote:
You still seem confused as to what Battle-forged is. As the others have stated you're only Battle-forged if all of the models in the army are in a detachment, not for each detachment you field. For example, if you have three detachments and no models outside of a detachment then the entire army is Battle-forged. Likewise, if you have three detachments and one or more models outside of a detachment, then the whole army is not Battle-forged. You don't have three Battle-forged detachments plus a few extra models.
If you have one model outside of a detachment, you can use the auxilary detachment for -1 CP, and you are battleforged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/10 06:23:40
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Ghaz wrote:darrekbaal wrote:aah ok, i thought so, cause it would be crazy if people get extra 3 command points for each battleforge for like 3 patrol detachments = 9 command points O_O
You still seem confused as to what Battle-forged is. As the others have stated you're only Battle-forged if all of the models in the army are in a detachment, not for each detachment you field. For example, if you have three detachments and no models outside of a detachment then the entire army is Battle-forged. Likewise, if you have three detachments and one or more models outside of a detachment, then the whole army is not Battle-forged. You don't have three Battle-forged detachments plus a few extra models.
Indeed. It is like pregnancy, it has a binary status. You either are or are not, there is no partial.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/10 13:42:52
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It is worth pointing out that you almost "can't" have an army which is not Battle Forged. As there is a detachment for a single unit option - however this applies a -1 CP penalty. You could penalize yourself to 0 CP or less by doing so, but oddly the army would most likely still be Battle Forged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/10 18:48:45
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Elbows wrote:It is worth pointing out that you almost "can't" have an army which is not Battle Forged. As there is a detachment for a single unit option - however this applies a -1 CP penalty. You could penalize yourself to 0 CP or less by doing so, but oddly the army would most likely still be Battle Forged.
You still can't take more auxiliary detachments than you have CP, or take a unit which doesn't share a faction keyword.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/10 21:37:17
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Confessor Of Sins
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There is no Faction limitation for Battle Forged Armies. That is a Matched Play Limitation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/10 22:21:02
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Lieutenant General
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Nor do I see anything limiting the number of Auxiliary Support Detachments and army may take. From the Designer's Commentary:
Q: Can a Battle-forged army ever have fewer than 0 Command Points?
A: No.
Regardless of how many Auxiliary Support Detachments you take, you can never start a battle with fewer than 0 Command Points.
To me that says that if you have more Auxiliary Support Detachments than you have Command Points you won't have a negative number of Command Points, and not that you can't take more Auxiliary Support Detachments than you have Command Points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/10 22:24:57
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Ghaz wrote:Nor do I see anything limiting the number of Auxiliary Support Detachments and army may take. From the Designer's Commentary:
Q: Can a Battle-forged army ever have fewer than 0 Command Points?
A: No.
Regardless of how many Auxiliary Support Detachments you take, you can never start a battle with fewer than 0 Command Points.
To me that says that if you have more Auxiliary Support Detachments than you have Command Points you won't have a negative number of Command Points, and not that you can't take more Auxiliary Support Detachments than you have Command Points.
Indeed. Take as many Aux Detachments as you like. It doesn't have to be a zero sum. Negative CP = zero CP is what that Commentary note means.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/11 01:34:49
Subject: Re:How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Sorry, I didn't mean to start a further discussion/argument, I just meant to say it's very unlikely you'll end up not Battle Forged. There are a few ways to make that happen it seems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/11 15:55:20
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Dakka Veteran
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alextroy wrote:There is no Faction limitation for Battle Forged Armies. That is a Matched Play Limitation.
This is only technically correct in that battle forged itself has no requirements other than being formed of detachments. However all detachments require a shared key-word so to take a Battle Forged army you must share a faction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/11 16:27:02
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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Farseer_V2 wrote: alextroy wrote:There is no Faction limitation for Battle Forged Armies. That is a Matched Play Limitation.
This is only technically correct in that battle forged itself has no requirements other than being formed of detachments. However all detachments require a shared key-word so to take a Battle Forged army you must share a faction.
It's simply correct - look at page 240 that defines 'battle forged' and then look at page 214 for matched play. Only in matched play does the 'ARMY FACTION' limitation exist across detachments as a further restriction to battle forged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/12 04:26:31
Subject: How many times can you "Battle-forge" your armies
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Confessor Of Sins
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As Ulfhednar_42 pointed out, while each unit in a detachment much share a keyword (or be Unaligned), there is no requirement that different detachments share a keyword. That is an additional limitation for Matched Play.
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