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Can I just say that the boys on Mars really need to get their act together with regards to making Space Marine transports. While I have an appreciation for the difficulty in managing large scale logistical operations, I really think the Machine Cult is just messing with the Marines at this point. Back in the day you had Tac Marines and Termies, Termies needing a Land Raider because of their big suits. Ok, fine, roger that. But now we have Centurion suits, and with 8th we have Primaris. I'm not sure if Archmagos Cawl is just holding out on his patent for better compensation, but it REALLY seems like not allowing Primaris Marines on standard "Dedicated Transports" was a pretty big design flaw on his part. I get that not every new innovation is 100% backwards compatible, but that is bush league. I mean, you can't even make a Primaris Rhino for the boys, they have to shell out for a Repulsor? Oh wait, they actually do have a "Rhino Primaris", and for a second I got excited, until I realized there was a bait and switch going on and the Rhino Primaris actually can't carry Primaris Marines, lol. No doubt a last minute design change that came in without consulting with the folks in Marketing before everything went into production.

Again, at this point I think the boys on Mars are just messing with the Space Marines. Needing 3 different transports for 4 types of infantry, even real world military procurement as messed up as it is would be laughing at that boondoggle. Hopefully Guilliman can start sorting out things like this. I bet they didn't have these problems back when he was kicking butt the first time around.

The Repulsor is a model that I still refuse to play against as WYSIWYG if the player neglects to paint the standard primaris-issue "you must be this tall to ride this ride" sign on the side.

I would however accept a houserule that allows regular marines to go inside, but you have to roll a die for each regular marine model embarked at the end of each turn and on a 1 they suffer a mortal wound from super-noogies.

It would cost too much to equip every repulsive with adeptus babyus patterned baby seats.

think of the logistics.

but no almost no reason for the exclusivity of repulsor and landraider and primarus marines.

99% sure it involves the marketing team.

It's also really really sad that primaris marines can't deploy in a gaking drop pod. How the heck can a unit that can carry centurions and terminators not carry primaris marines?

I think the AdMech might want to look at making their own transports before retooling SM ones. Poor, poor Skitarii.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I think the AdMech might want to look at making their own transports before retooling SM ones. Poor, poor Skitarii.

You beat me too it. Everytime I play my friends admech. As I am killing his infantry hes like "wish i had some transports".

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I think the AdMech might want to look at making their own transports before retooling SM ones. Poor, poor Skitarii.

Ad Mech player here - I 100% agree. However, every time I'm losing squads as they slowly creep up the board, I just keep repeating to myself;

"They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book. Walking is Fluffy. They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book. Walking is Fluffy. They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book...."

All while I cry for what could be.

Clay_Puppington wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I think the AdMech might want to look at making their own transports before retooling SM ones. Poor, poor Skitarii.

Ad Mech player here - I 100% agree. However, every time I'm losing squads as they slowly creep up the board, I just keep repeating to myself;

"They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book. Walking is Fluffy. They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book. Walking is Fluffy. They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book...."

All while I cry for what could be.

Would transports matter as much if Skitarii still had a universal scout move? I kinda like the idea of an army that footslogs it but of course you have to account for that when balancing them.

This is one of the few things that makes me question why I continue to play This game.
It’s a greedy marketing tactic. No other reason primaris can’t ride in drop pods or rhino”s besides we have already purchased them : /

The rhino primaris btw isn't made with primaris in mind despite name. It was originally released during 7th ed WAY BEFORE primaris were released. It's just fancy name for command rhino.

It's pretty obvious they're phasing out primaris marines for new old marines once enough bandwagoners have sold off or ragers have burned up, their old armies.

Sort of 'New Coke' thing.


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Grimlineman wrote:
This is one of the few things that makes me question why I continue to play This game.
It’s a greedy marketing tactic. No other reason primaris can’t ride in drop pods or rhino”s besides we have already purchased them : /

In all seriousness, why do primaris need a transport? They're weapons are all 30" range+ anyway and they're god-awful in melee. Couple of fast light units like bikes or landspeeder types would be way more useful (no, inceptors don't count, they're not objective grabbers they're suicide bombers).

This kind of bothers me.

It's like those times you read about in history books (e.g. Isandlwana) where a unit commander goes "NOPE! No, no. This is for PRIMARIS MARINES ONLY, see, it says in the manual on page 1540..." while a poor tactical squad is being cut down by bullets and artillery and just wants a place to hide and recover and reload. In the fluff, it's a bureaucratic fuckup at best.

In the real world, I believe it is almost entirely marketing as well. A Land Raider and a Drop Pod should be able to carry Primaris Marines, and any Primaris-capable vehicle should be able to carry regular marines.

It seems very odd to me that an Inquisitor and her buddies can ride in a Repulsor or Custodes Land Raider but a tactical marine squad cannot...

I know it's a joking post but from a game perspective it makes no sense. Just have Primaris take up two transport slots and call it a day. Everything can use everything old and new. Basically the only thing the would be out of Primaris use would be Razorbacks (due to the 6 capacity) and a few fringe FW land raiders like the Achilles.

No one would buy the Repulsor if you could use Rhinos, Drop Pods and Land Raiders.

Clay_Puppington wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I think the AdMech might want to look at making their own transports before retooling SM ones. Poor, poor Skitarii.

Ad Mech player here - I 100% agree. However, every time I'm losing squads as they slowly creep up the board, I just keep repeating to myself;

"They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book. Walking is Fluffy. They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book. Walking is Fluffy. They justified no transports in the 7th Ed book...."

All while I cry for what could be.

We also had a scout move to help and crusader.

...but back to rhinos. Isn't it strange that the new hotness big plague marines can use ye old standard rhino, but primaris can't when they were released together?

Are plague marines bigger in the floor though?
From my recollection of background, rhinos we designed for humans not marines. They're already a tight fit for marines because of marines being bigger. It makes sense to my that primaris marines wouldn't fit in a rhino.

Zustiur wrote:
Are plague marines bigger in the floor though?
From my recollection of background, rhinos we designed for humans not marines. They're already a tight fit for marines because of marines being bigger. It makes sense to my that primaris marines wouldn't fit in a rhino.

Bigger in the floor what’s that mean?

Let’s run with your defense of games work shop that marines barely fit in the rhino as it was ( I have never seen that before but I’m no lore expert so ok). What about drop pods? Last edition you could put centurions and Dreadnoughts in them for goodness sakes but now they have shrunk and we can’t get even 5 primaris to fit. Or how about land raiders they to big for them too?

I dont understand why so many people defend GW in descions like this. They did this to sell us models we didn’t need because we have already purchased something similar and nothing more.
There is so many other army’s that could have got new or updated kits instead. But marines is the top seller so how many ways can they re invent the wheel............

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I think the AdMech might want to look at making their own transports before retooling SM ones. Poor, poor Skitarii.

skitari? where is the taxi for my cult mech kataphrons?

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's also really really sad that primaris marines can't deploy in a gaking drop pod. How the heck can a unit that can carry centurions and terminators not carry primaris marines?

Drop pods can't carry Centurions anymore.

If they could, Centurions, and drop pods, would be useful. Super useful actually.

 Red_Five wrote:
No one would buy the Repulsor if you could use Rhinos, Drop Pods and Land Raiders.

are people really buying them now though? I mean I have 2 on my shelf (still in the box another one day to be completed project), but my FLGS has had the same one on their shelf since I picked them up 2/3 that they had. The other FLGS I talk to the owner sometimes and buy from them too they are not moving them. I also don't see them in many online battle reports. I think the model is pretty nice looking and all, but really think GW should have just made it like land raiders for terminator armor repulsors for Gravis armor make some fluff futz about the density and weight/bulk of the armor and add rules that it takes p 3 spaces in a transport, boom good to go

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:
No one would buy the Repulsor if you could use Rhinos, Drop Pods and Land Raiders.

are people really buying them now though? I mean I have 2 on my shelf (still in the box another one day to be completed project), but my FLGS has had the same one on their shelf since I picked them up 2/3 that they had. The other FLGS I talk to the owner sometimes and buy from them too they are not moving them. I also don't see them in many online battle reports. I think the model is pretty nice looking and all, but really think GW should have just made it like land raiders for terminator armor repulsors for Gravis armor make some fluff futz about the density and weight/bulk of the armor and add rules that it takes p 3 spaces in a transport, boom good to go

They kinda screwed the pooch with that one. its really expensive $$ and points wise

and quite a few people jumped on the raven guard wagon pretty early on whom doesn't need it.

I really like the Repulsor model and I'm building a primaris only army, and I still don't see myself getting more than one. It is just such an expensive egg basket.

 Crimson wrote:
I really like the Repulsor model and I'm building a primaris only army, and I still don't see myself getting more than one. It is just such an expensive egg basket.

It is, but the fact it is a flier and can fall back and still shoot with its very considerable weapons, as opposed to a Land Raider, is pretty darn noice. If I could put some hvy flamers or something similar on them I'd be fielding some. Gimme a Repulsor Redeemer with some Flamestorm Cannons and I might not field anything else

Gwarok wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really like the Repulsor model and I'm building a primaris only army, and I still don't see myself getting more than one. It is just such an expensive egg basket.

It is, but the fact it is a flier and can fall back and still shoot with its very considerable weapons, as opposed to a Land Raider, is pretty darn noice. If I could put some hvy flamers or something similar on them I'd be fielding some. Gimme a Repulsor Redeemer with some Flamestorm Cannons and I might not field anything else

it would be cool to see primaris versions of predators including the bael predator for the cannons, but I would prefer gw start with a good cheap transport. make it like a hover rhino with a 2 shot version of the bolt rifle and hold up to 10 primaris, charge a few points over a rhino and maybe $5-10 more dollars US than a rhino and they would fly off the shelves. after a ew months introduce the razorback version / upgrade sprue for 5 models with better weapons, then 3-4 months later add a predator type with no transport but sponsons and a main turret + 1-2 toughness.

 G00fySmiley wrote:

Gwarok wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really like the Repulsor model and I'm building a primaris only army, and I still don't see myself getting more than one. It is just such an expensive egg basket.

It is, but the fact it is a flier and can fall back and still shoot with its very considerable weapons, as opposed to a Land Raider, is pretty darn noice. If I could put some hvy flamers or something similar on them I'd be fielding some. Gimme a Repulsor Redeemer with some Flamestorm Cannons and I might not field anything else

it would be cool to see primaris versions of predators including the bael predator for the cannons, but I would prefer gw start with a good cheap transport. make it like a hover rhino with a 2 shot version of the bolt rifle and hold up to 10 primaris, charge a few points over a rhino and maybe $5-10 more dollars US than a rhino and they would fly off the shelves. after a ew months introduce the razorback version / upgrade sprue for 5 models with better weapons, then 3-4 months later add a predator type with no transport but sponsons and a main turret + 1-2 toughness.

that would be the smart move tho....