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Hello fellow tabletop tacticians, below you will find my first attempt at a 1500pts space wolves list. I am hoping for a rather reliable all comers list as I feel my friends have quite a large variety of armies. One runs 3 Lemon Russ tanks at 1500pts and they shoot TWICE a turn, that's some scary armour! Another runs Tau with no vehicles but plenty of scary battle suits and blobs of fire warriors. Then of course we have a Poxwalker Cultist battery horde force which has the potential to bog me down and do mortal wounds just because I'm too close to them.

1) The basic strategy I am thinking with this force is Wulfen and the bolter only greys use the stratagem to outflank, I'm not sure if Njal will deepstrike with them or not.
2) Bjorn and the razorbacks with the other 2 greys squads inside advance up the board, once close enough the greys disembark for a volley before bjorn charges in and throws his weight around,
3) Meanwhile the longfangs are left at the rear targeting those scary things that can chew up my scoring units.

The things I am unsure about:

1) I don't like a undefended backline of longfangs, seems like a squad or 2 of deepstrikes can remove ALOT of my antitank.
2) I have no idea if Njal is better with the wulfen to make them harder to hit or to travel closer to Bjorn or babysit the longfangs.
3) Is it overkill and to many points in the wulfen with 4 hammer and shields?


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [82 PL, 1500pts] ++

+ HQ +

Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 267pts]: Heavy flamer, Saga of the Warrior Born, Twin lascannon, Warlord

Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [9 PL, 153pts]

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [8 PL, 104pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power sword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frost sword, Plasma pistol

Grey Hunters [8 PL, 100pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frost sword, Plasma pistol

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 65pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Long Fangs [7 PL, 170pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

Long Fangs [7 PL, 170pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

+ No Force Org Slot +

Gametype: Matched

+ Elites +

Wulfen [13 PL, 239pts]
. 4x Thunder hammer & Stormshield: 4x Storm Shield, 4x Thunder Hammer
. 4x Wulfen
. Wulfen Pack Leader: Frost claws

++ Total: [82 PL, 1500pts] ++

Thanks for the opinions I look forward to the tips and ideas I will get back

Xephion wrote:

1) I don't like a undefended backline of longfangs, seems like a squad or 2 of deepstrikes can remove ALOT of my antitank.

I think two units of long fangs are too many for 1500 points. But min units of grey hunters, razorbacks and bjorn should also stay in your backline. Use those cheap troops to screen the most valuable stuff if the opponent has nasty deepstrikers. Tanks are better if they don't move and bjorn is too slow to charge something in the opponent deployed zone, it's the perfect babysitter for your backlines.

Xephion wrote:

2) I have no idea if Njal is better with the wulfen to make them harder to hit or to travel closer to Bjorn or babysit the longfangs.

I usually deepstrike njal near the offensive deepstriking/outflanking units but you have only one of them. I think a unit of terminators could be a more effective combo than a second squad of longfangs.

Xephion wrote:

3) Is it overkill and to many points in the wulfen with 4 hammer and shields?

No, they're a great unit but still only 5 dudes. A solid choice but they're not immortal, they can't pass cheap screeners and they won't take down a superheavy anyway with average rolls in one turn.

Hey Blackie, thanks for the advice.

So do you think having most of the army as a sort of gunline, grey hunters, long fangs, bjorn, razorbacks sorta of grouped together then having a squad of terms and wuflen to outflank/deepstrike with njal is the better way to run a list like this? if so how would you eqip the terms? would you make them a cc heavy squad? or use more shooting? I know strong cc scares the 3 russ tanks which is the most armour I imagine id face.

You're welcome.

I don't like playing with pure gunlines and the SW one is basically the SM gunline in a weaker version since it doesn't have guilliman re-rolls.

So long fangs and razorbacks are extremely good and very solid choices, but I don't think a pure SW gunline would be very effective. I've had good results mixing the two styles, always bringing some CC oriented unit.

Outflanking wulfen are the new hot and since termies are the most punchy deepstriking unit we have they match together quite good, especially if you want deepstriking characters like njal or arjac. I think that a single outflanking/deepstriking unit could be countered quite easily, having 2+ or 1 with 2+ fast units like TWC or bikes helps a lot.

I run my termies in units of 5 guys, 3 TH/SS and 2 stormbolters and frost swords. If I have the points one of the stormbolter is replaced by an assault cannon.

I'd keep the grey hunters units as cheap as possible, maybe just giving them a plasma gun. But adding more plasma to the units embarked is not a bad choice either. Overall your list is certainly good anyway.

Yea I agree that a SW gunline is just a weaker version of a SM one and part of why I picked SW was because I like the CC characters.

I am struggling to put it all together at 1500pts I have to say. I noticed your term squads are cheaper than the even a wulfen squad with 2 thunder hammers. 2 axes and the leader. Do you find the wulfen to be more damaging then the terms? or for point cost would you prefer the terms? tbh I'm not a fan of the wulfen models but the rules for them do seem very strong. Also if I took the terms would it be better to swap Njal out for Arjac? that extra attack to wolfguard has got to be a big advantage?

With your Greys how do you like running them? ive been liking 5 man squads, 1 with plasma pistol and a battle leader with plasma pistol and frost axe but i'm starting to think perhaps the point cost isn't worth it. Those points are probably better spent elsewhere such as assault cannon on a term squad. What are your opinions? are plasmas worth taking if they wont be close to rerolls?

Xephion wrote:
Yea I agree that a SW gunline is just a weaker version of a SM one and part of why I picked SW was because I like the CC characters.

I am struggling to put it all together at 1500pts I have to say. I noticed your term squads are cheaper than the even a wulfen squad with 2 thunder hammers. 2 axes and the leader. Do you find the wulfen to be more damaging then the terms? or for point cost would you prefer the terms? tbh I'm not a fan of the wulfen models but the rules for them do seem very strong. Also if I took the terms would it be better to swap Njal out for Arjac? that extra attack to wolfguard has got to be a big advantage?

With your Greys how do you like running them? ive been liking 5 man squads, 1 with plasma pistol and a battle leader with plasma pistol and frost axe but i'm starting to think perhaps the point cost isn't worth it. Those points are probably better spent elsewhere such as assault cannon on a term squad. What are your opinions? are plasmas worth taking if they wont be close to rerolls?

I think the main reason for wulfen outflanking is the re roll charge range greatly increases the chance of a terrifying alpha strike and insane damage.
Also with the terms maybe ss on frost swords instead if the th. This makes it safer go tank the high ap shots with cheaper guys.
Plasma without re roll are still dangerous to meq and teq not as good at tank hunting but worth the points
I hope thus helps

Why not swap the Grey Hunters without a transport for Blood Claws to Outflank with the Wulfen. Almost like a pseudo deep strike.

Remove the Wolf Guard Pack Leader and second Long Fang Squad and add in a dread. Again - melee dread might be wonderful. Maybe even a tough mixed terminator unit.

Given the lists vehicle support and the drawbacks to shooting when they move.. I'd probably forget about plasma pistols.

That is almost exactly the last 1500 point list I ran. The difference was only in troops. I used

5x Grey Hunters , 1x Plasma Gun
5x Grey Hunters , 1x Plasma Gun
10x Grey Hunters , 2x Plasma Gun

I didn’t outflank any of the hunters. The bigger squad rolled with Njall, and the others just moved around as needed.

The list IS a strong all comers list. I managed to pinch some necron warriors, immortals, and a cryptek between the wulfen (who got first turn charge off) and the advancing Bjorn and GH. Njall dropped in the mix as well.

To answer a previous question, I find wulfen much killer than terminators. They chase things so well. Their move 7” is a lot more than 5” and the charge rolls rule. They have lots of atk and with hammers they hurt. Terminators are cheaper, but not as ruthless charging into combat.

Ok I've been considering all of these tips and I think I've found a pretty good medium that should enable me to deal with pretty much anything, maybe flyers will make it hard as I cant charge them which is where a lot of my anti tank is coming from but I'm really not sure.

This is what I have come up with your suggestions.

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [86 PL, 1498pts] ++

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Long Fangs [7 PL, 170pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

+ HQ +

Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 267pts]: Heavy flamer, Twin lascannon

Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [9 PL, 153pts]

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 211pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Frost sword, Storm bolter
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Frost sword, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Wulfen [13 PL, 231pts]
. 2x Great frost axe
. 2x Thunder hammer & Stormshield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer
. 4x Wulfen
. Wulfen Pack Leader: Frost claws

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 78pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 78pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 78pts]: 3x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

++ Total: [86 PL, 1498pts] ++

It gives me 2 strong cc units that will work very well together in conjunction with the Njal. while Bjorn, razorbacks and greys screen the long fangs and control objectives/centre field. I opted for the plasma guns on the greys so they can have a bit more power and longer ranges thus enabling them to stay closer to Bjorn and still be useful. while saving points on the squads aswell. I shouldn't be using my troops as elite hunters anyway so I can see how the extra points in wargear was probably a waste in this point bracket. All in All I feel this should be a very competent force that wont leave me disheartened buy constant defeats.

One last question, with Bjorn as my Warlord what trait would you give him? I've been leaning towards Inspiring leader so the greys get that extra leadership they are missing since they don't have a WGPL.

Thanks again for all the help fellas!

Xephion wrote:

Do you find the wulfen to be more damaging then the terms? or for point cost would you prefer the terms? tbh I'm not a fan of the wulfen models but the rules for them do seem very strong. Also if I took the terms would it be better to swap Njal out for Arjac? that extra attack to wolfguard has got to be a big advantage?

Now that they can ouflank I prefer wulfen over termies but they're both solid units. Arjac is a great character and makes assault termies quite better, but he can also buff other wolf guards and even TWC, when I include him I make a list with 2-3 units that can have the +1A he grants. Both njal and arjac are very performing characters, they work very differently, but both solid.

Xephion wrote:

With your Greys how do you like running them? ive been liking 5 man squads, 1 with plasma pistol and a battle leader with plasma pistol and frost axe but i'm starting to think perhaps the point cost isn't worth it. Those points are probably better spent elsewhere such as assault cannon on a term squad. What are your opinions? are plasmas worth taking if they wont be close to rerolls?

I usually take min units with no upgrades, just five dudes with bolters. Sometimes if I have some points spared I put some plasma guns. But usually I play them as objective holders or screener for the tanks or long fangs. However with a wolf lord or bjorn nearby plasma weapons could be very good on them since they can re-roll overheats safely. I wouldn't bother with special close combat weapons for min units that mostly stay in the SW backline.