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Grey Knight Players,

What have you found to be the most reliable way of getting your guys into close combat while suffering minimal losses along the way? Options I'm considering....

Stormraven, okay but points increase to both hull and assault cannon doesn't help

Gate of Infinity Landraider: tough but expensive

Gate of Infinity: Cheap but you're faced with 9 in charge and if you fail you might get lit up

Rhinos: Cheap, but a little squishy

Not a Grey Knights player, World Eaters, but the best thing to do is have many different methods of getting them into combat. I personally go for deep strike + rhinos + some form of distraction carnifex.

You can't rely on deep strike, and foot slogging is a death sentence.

Transports are a solid way, but with the recent nerfs you're going to have trouble finding an effective way to move your guys about the board.

Unfortunately there aren't many ways to get your guys into melee. Our best unit, the Grand Master Nemesis Dreadknight, doesn't really even want to be in melee most of the time.

The answer is transports, but you will find this is a losing proposition against nearly everyone.

Interceptors and/or raven
First to the fray
CP on charge dice.

The number of times I've made my charge rolls with strike squads and failed them with NDK's and paladins is ridiculous. The only stratagems I use with GK are heed the prognosticar and the CP re-roll

The best I can suggest is using the 'First into the Fray' Warlord Trait, then dropping down with several units in a cluster to try and take advantage of those rerolls. A 9" charge has greater than 50% odds with a reroll, so if you have 4 units charging, you're getting two of them in.

Reroll charge range warlord trait out of deep strike is how I do it. Sometimes all will fail - sometimes all get in. It's the plight of the greyknights.

No save way in sight.
Transports, warlord trait, teleporting >9'' away from the enemy, and footslogging.
You need some tryout games.
We dont know your army list.

Riggs wrote:
Grey Knight Players,

What have you found to be the most reliable way of getting your guys into close combat while suffering minimal losses along the way? Options I'm considering....

Stormraven, okay but points increase to both hull and assault cannon doesn't help

Gate of Infinity Landraider: tough but expensive

Gate of Infinity: Cheap but you're faced with 9 in charge and if you fail you might get lit up

Rhinos: Cheap, but a little squishy

A competitive GK list will be putting at least 10 units in the opponents face turn 1, using MSU strikes, interceptors and GMDKs.

A good chunk of those units will be within 6" of the GMDK warlord FTTF bubble.

If you haven't killed everything within charge range with your 200+ shots alpha strike, some units will make it into combat.

The best way to get into CC is by charging. Way better than being charged, and there is no other way that I know of to get into CC. So charging is the way to go.

Competitive GK lists feature 3-4 GMNDK, and the rest is imperial guard.

And the reason people do this is for the "Best GK player" title. It is measurably less effective than a pure guard list.

 Marmatag wrote:
Competitive GK lists feature 3-4 GMNDK, and the rest is imperial guard.

And the reason people do this is for the "Best GK player" title. It is measurably less effective than a pure guard list.

Sad but true. ''Best GK player'' sounds good.
AM is the top tier army atm. They can do everything better than any other army out there.

 Marmatag wrote:
Competitive GK lists feature 3-4 GMNDK, and the rest is imperial guard.

And the reason people do this is for the "Best GK player" title. It is measurably less effective than a pure guard list.

I wonder if an army isn't better defined by not only its warlord but also where the plurality of its points are spent. It just doesn't sound right that if I have a 100% GK army and go 2-2 and someone else has a GK warlord with no other GK and goes 3-1 he gets the award for best GK army. I'm not saying that an army has to be 100% mono codex but there should be some reasonable minimum standard other than just "who is your warlord".

Your faction should simply be the most specific unifying keyword across your army.

If you have a detachment of GK and a detachment of Imperial Guard, the most specific keyword that covers all your units is "Imperium."

In other words, if you want "best player" for a faction, it should be a pure list.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Competitive GK lists feature 3-4 GMNDK, and the rest is imperial guard.

And the reason people do this is for the "Best GK player" title. It is measurably less effective than a pure guard list.

Sad but true. ''Best GK player'' sounds good.
AM is the top tier army atm. They can do everything better than any other army out there.

Eldar seem to be giving them a headache with all their minuses to hit rolls.