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It’s time to talk about the new Dark Angels codex. Is it as good as the Blood Angels’ is, or the idea that interesting codices of the 8th edition don’t come out in a row?

The most anticipated question – it a gunline still an ultimate solution, just like in the vanilla space marines codex? Yes and no. Grim resolve now gives you re-roll of 1-s in shooting if the unit remained stationary. What is it if not an allusion to the gunline? Now you don’t even need a captain for this. Who is rightfully called Master in this book. Also, all the units from the vanilla codex which were not here have been added, just like in BA book. So, you have all the ingredients for the ideal gunline (except for Guilliman).

But, sure, all DA players came here not for this. Everyone wants to know how to do first 2 companies play. It’s obvious that in the 8th edition all their units became tougher, due to the second wound. However, part of the special rules has moved to the stratagems, and lost the versatility. And some have gone completely.

For example, Death Wing. Id you prefer these guys, the Knights are an auto-choice for you. They are almost like the hammer-terminators, but don’t have a penalty for the hit rolls. Also, your librarian can give them a complete re-roll to hit and to wound. And the stratagem «Fortress of shields» which used to be a special rule helps you survive the first turn after deep strike, if the charge fails. And here’s the point where a stratagem for charge reroll or an additional D6 might be useful (like in BA book). But there’s nothing like this. A special Death Wing stratagem gives an additional shooting. Not so useful, but at least motivates you to use ordinary terminators. By the way, catafractii and tartaros are also in this book. If you like miniatures, of course. Otherwise, there’s no practical use of them.

Your favorite guys from the previous editions – Raven Wing. They also feel strange. It’s great that they have jink – 4++ looks invuln looks even better than the cover save. The fact that it’s given only after advancing is still ok, since range weapons have assault type, and you can also use a special stratagem for shooting and charging after it. Again – stratagem, not a special rule. Honestly, it starts to bother. In general, Raven Wing knights still deal a serious damage with their plasma talons and corvus hammers, so you will definitely use them. You won’t get any 2+ cover save now since Dark shroud only gives -1 to hit, but the squad is still very durable. By the way, plasma version of this hover is also very cool, considering the stratagem that increases the damage of all plasma weapons.

And the other stratagems are not very useful. They are either copied from the vanilla codex, or look more narrative than useful. Boosting your characters after fighting with a friendly space wolf won’t make you take a wolfs’ detachment to use it. And focus of the whole army on the one «fallen» character never worked well. The magic is great. Its focused on attack and is really powerful. An interesting thing is that now we have an ability to make a unit attack the last. Something totally new. You will definitely use it to destroy strong characters instead of that weird stratagem.

In general, the codex look…as expected. It looks like GW game-designers don’t know that they want from Dark Angels. There seems to be 3 different game concepts, but none of them has many details and combinations. Everyone already knows how to play terminators in 8th edition. Green wing suggests standard gunline, which is already boring. Only bikes give you somehow interesting gameplay where you have to think before moving miniatures. Don’t get me wrong – the book is playable, competitive and have some options. Bot there’s no admiration like with Blood Angels – all the game concepts have a unit which is much better than the others. So, the choice is reduced to minimum. However, it won’t prevent any DA players from gaming. For anyone else it means that the next codex has the chance to appear really interesting and variative.

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I think the DA book is strongest as a mixed force. Overall I'm pretty happy with the book.

DW Knights do indeed look great. I'll be experimenting with a Deathstar of sorts involving a Knights unit, DW Ancient, Asmodai, and Terminator Master with Master of Maneuver and Eye of the Unseen. all delivered in a Land Raider Crusader.

It's a LOT of points, but the math on it is quite scary. Everything at +2A and reroll hits from Asmodai and the Ancient, enemy fighting last from the Eye, reroll charges, and then the 3CP strat to fight twice.

Hellblasters are also even scarier in DA. No need for a Captain to babysit them for rerolls, strat to give them +1 D when you need to melt a big tank or monster immediately, and also they work nicely with that strat to get a free shooting phase against deepstrike.

I think there's a solid mixed force in this book, but taking dedicated Ravenwing or Deathwing will be rough.
   
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Do they have access to standard marine lieutenants now? I've got a greenwing army that's full normal marines at the moment and the one primaris lieutenant stands out like a sore thumb.

 
   
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Hatachi wrote:
Do they have access to standard marine lieutenants now? I've got a greenwing army that's full normal marines at the moment and the one primaris lieutenant stands out like a sore thumb.


Yes, they do have regular Lieutenants.

EDIT:

They do NOT have:

Centurions (expected, based on the BA codex)
Stormhawks or Stormtalons (because they have their own aircraft)

A little annoyed about not getting Stormtalons, just because I happen to have one! Can't bring myself to spend 1CP to take it when the Ravenwing have perfectly decent aircraft. But I understand they didn't need it at all.

EDIT2:

Interestingly, there is no Deathwing Lieutenant. The whole first company wears terminator armour to battle, and is in the inner circle. There's no way to meet either of those conditions with a Lieutenant.

I guess maybe Knight Masters fulfil that role organisationally?

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I'm happy with the Codex. There's some cool toys and combos and it seems to me like Codex: Space Marines +1 so I'll take it. Even if it sucked I'd still play the Dark Angels, because if nothing else, they will always be the coolest looking Marines.
   
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IandI wrote:
I'm happy with the Codex. There's some cool toys and combos and it seems to me like Codex: Space Marines +1 so I'll take it. Even if it sucked I'd still play the Dark Angels, because if nothing else, they will always be the coolest looking Marines.


Yeah agreed.

I don't think they'll be winning any tournaments, but I think they are good enough to hold their own in 'competitive casual' games.

I'm fine with that, I'd rather not have T1 cheese lists and be the army that everyone hates, but I'd also like to be able to win games sometimes. It's a good place to be!
   
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How about the background. Any new stories or developments?
   
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Nvs wrote:
How about the background. Any new stories or developments?


Not much new. Luther is officially free from the rock, that is about it.

There's also some explanation of the circumstances under which the chapter accepted the Primaris marines (look at my recent posts for a run down of that), and bits and bobs about how they now fit in to the chapter.

Librarians are the only Primaris to gain access to the Inner Circle, as the book explains it's difficult to keep secrets from a telepathic interrogator! There's no explanation of what precautions or preparations were made to allow for this though.

The book also says it's only a matter of time until a Primaris marine earns their place in the Deathwing. Which I am wildly speculating to take as us eventually getting proper Primaris Terminators
   
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Stux wrote:
Nvs wrote:
How about the background. Any new stories or developments?


Not much new. Luther is officially free from the rock, that is about it.

There's also some explanation of the circumstances under which the chapter accepted the Primaris marines (look at my recent posts for a run down of that), and bits and bobs about how they now fit in to the chapter.

Librarians are the only Primaris to gain access to the Inner Circle, as the book explains it's difficult to keep secrets from a telepathic interrogator! There's no explanation of what precautions or preparations were made to allow for this though.

The book also says it's only a matter of time until a Primaris marine earns their place in the Deathwing. Which I am wildly speculating to take as us eventually getting proper Primaris Terminators


There is a stratagem that allows you to upgrade a character to the inner circle, which is their way of saying some primaris masters have earned their way in but not all of them. I think it means we will see some DA specific versions of Gravis armor, which will be the deathwing for primaris marines. As for story advancement, it made clear that the fallen are at full legion strength, and the DA have just been picking off outliers. That and the disappearance of luther hint at some massive forthcoming conflict between the Unforgiven and the fallen.

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 Grimgold wrote:
Stux wrote:
Nvs wrote:
How about the background. Any new stories or developments?


Not much new. Luther is officially free from the rock, that is about it.

There's also some explanation of the circumstances under which the chapter accepted the Primaris marines (look at my recent posts for a run down of that), and bits and bobs about how they now fit in to the chapter.

Librarians are the only Primaris to gain access to the Inner Circle, as the book explains it's difficult to keep secrets from a telepathic interrogator! There's no explanation of what precautions or preparations were made to allow for this though.

The book also says it's only a matter of time until a Primaris marine earns their place in the Deathwing. Which I am wildly speculating to take as us eventually getting proper Primaris Terminators


There is a stratagem that allows you to upgrade a character to the inner circle, which is their way of saying some primaris masters have earned their way in but not all of them. I think it means we will see some DA specific versions of Gravis armor, which will be the deathwing for primaris marines. As for story advancement, it made clear that the fallen are at full legion strength, and the DA have just been picking off outliers. That and the disappearance of luther hint at some massive forthcoming conflict between the Unforgiven and the fallen.


I have been saying this about the Fallen for years now, once again Formosa is proven right haha, my reasoning was that about 20,000 Dark Angels were on Caliban when the Lion attacked, some may have died, other got sent all over the warp, that leaves Thousands, if not tens of thousands left, so when people used to ask if they could do a Fallen force I would say yes, a lots of people would say "no, there isnt enough fallen to band together like that"


   
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 Grimgold wrote:
Stux wrote:
Nvs wrote:
How about the background. Any new stories or developments?


Not much new. Luther is officially free from the rock, that is about it.

There's also some explanation of the circumstances under which the chapter accepted the Primaris marines (look at my recent posts for a run down of that), and bits and bobs about how they now fit in to the chapter.

Librarians are the only Primaris to gain access to the Inner Circle, as the book explains it's difficult to keep secrets from a telepathic interrogator! There's no explanation of what precautions or preparations were made to allow for this though.

The book also says it's only a matter of time until a Primaris marine earns their place in the Deathwing. Which I am wildly speculating to take as us eventually getting proper Primaris Terminators


There is a stratagem that allows you to upgrade a character to the inner circle, which is their way of saying some primaris masters have earned their way in but not all of them. I think it means we will see some DA specific versions of Gravis armor, which will be the deathwing for primaris marines. As for story advancement, it made clear that the fallen are at full legion strength, and the DA have just been picking off outliers. That and the disappearance of luther hint at some massive forthcoming conflict between the Unforgiven and the fallen.


Currently the only Primaris Character that can take that Inner Circle upgrade is the Master. Lieutenants, Chaplains, and Apothecaries cannot.

My reading of the actual text passages is that officially in canon there are no Primaris Masters in the Inner Circle currently, but that it is an inevitability in the not too distant future. I guess the mechanical option is there in the game because 'your dudes'.

Personally I think one day we will get Primaris scale Terminators, but that's a whole other can of worms!
   
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I'm on the other side of that, I think mark X gravis armor will the terminator stand in for primaris marines. I expect we will see a bit more of what they have planned for Gravis Armor when we get the detail kit of Captain in Gravis armor. Things that would not surprise me,

-Some kind of boarding/storm shield, boarding shields are very popular in 30k (because they look awesome), and a heavily armored gravis marine with a boarding shield and some kind of shotgun would look pretty cool.
-Additional CC options like a thunder hammer equivalent, and/or some form of CC weapon meant to make them better at fighting hordes.
-Heavy weapon Gravis configurations, similar to centurions. Right now, outside of the hellblasters who get a whopping 1 heavy weapon, primaris marines have no heavy weapon platforms that are not vehicles.

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