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GW has been very.... consistent with at least "Re-rolls before Modifiers"

Pg 178 for Roll-offs state if you roll a tie you re-roll, when going 1st a player gets a modifier of +1. SO do you re-roll ties and add the modifier after?

I know we dont do this (at least i dont know anyone that does) but just thinking about it due to this topic https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/747637.page#9764457

I wanted to see what others thought, i'm not here to argue for this rule, just giving its GW and all... well you know lol.

Not sure it applies as you cannot reroll a rerolled dice, so if players tie lets say a number more than once, the game wouldn't start? It seems the modifier rule and rerolls etc. applies to when games starts

On the same page it does say you may Re-roll a re-roll dice for the purpose of Roll-Offs.

Looks like RaW you do re-roll ties, because re-rolls happen before modifiers, and roll offs can be re-rolled infinitely. Nice catch.

So all ties are always rerolled by both players then, and the +1 only comes into play if the dice is -1 from the other (then triggering another reroll)?

As of right now, i dont think that is possible other than a LD roll off power, but i would say yes.

so what is the math NOW with re rolls making another roll off?

So what is the chance you get to go first if you have a +1?

A re-roll of a shooting or melee attack is different than a roll-off between two players for first turn. The attack is trying to meet a fixed success number. The roll-off is trying to best the other player's roll - its different. Not applying the +1 would be nonsense.

If you finished deploying first you get the +1. If you roll a 2 and I rolled a 3 we tied and we roll again. If we both rolled a 2 you won the roll-off, since 2+1=3 and 3>2. I can't imagine a real dispute between real players on this.

Happy New Year!

well it would not be total nonsense in one aspect.

If you rolled a 5 and I a 6 then you add the +1 instead of losing you get another chance at a roll-off.

That in itself is a good advantage. You cannot disregard that.

The problem here is that the modifier can either create or prevent that re-roll in the first place

Example 1 - I have the +1 and roll a 4. My opponent rolls a 5. Technically he won (no reroll needed), but then I apply +1 and we tie FORCING a reroll. So in this case, the modifier had to come first.

Example 2 - I still have the +1 and roll a 4, but my opponent also rolls a 4. We tie, causing a reroll, EXCEPT my +1 actually means I rolled a 5, thus no reroll is necessary.

Bottom line: rerolling ties is NOT the same as in-game rerolls and thus the modifiers after rerolls should not apply for roll-offs

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