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Seeing if these combos are legal. Sadly played very little 8th since my daughter was born, jumping back in with necrons.

Ok so shooting in general and bonuses I'll be using

Tesla grants 2 additional hits on 6s
Targeting relay allows rerolls of 1s
My Will be done adds 1 to all advance, charge and to hit rolls

Illuminators bs augment
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So to the questions
1. Which applies first? Rerolls or add 1s?
The way I understand is modifiers are added after rerolls?

If not my Will be done seems underwhelming/useless when paired with targeting relay.

Also I'm trying to be "That guy" and take a mile when an inch is offered. Assuming my illuminator buffs my tesla imortals with bs +1 making them hit on 2+, targeting relay rerolls 1s, then mwbd adds 1 to all hit rolls so all 5s 6s grant tesla?
Is that rather op or do I have rules and order of operation wrong?
If not tesla accuracy with that setup averages(158% after noticing reroll 1s are a miss)
Although it is situational and unreliable to trigger it is rather scary.

Edit when rerolls 1s are a miss regardless of modifiers.
Still a huge boost

Shadowmyth515 wrote:

So to the questions
1. Which applies first? Rerolls or add 1s?
The way I understand is modifiers are added after rerolls?

Rerolls before modifiers.

Shadowmyth515 wrote:

Also I'm trying to be "That guy" and take a mile when an inch is offered. Assuming my illuminator buffs my tesla imortals with bs +1 making them hit on 2+, targeting relay rerolls 1s, then mwbd adds 1 to all hit rolls;
They literally can not miss and all 5s 6s grant tesla?

Yes, your immortals would hit on 2+, rerolling 1s, and 5s and 6s would grant two additional hits. Illuminor szeras is not needed, MWBD already buffs them with BS+1. Btw, you cant choose what buff illuminor szeras gives. You roll a D3.

Shadowmyth515 wrote:


Illuminor szeras is not needed.

Depends. With all that -1 to hit being about, Upgrading BS with Szeras + MWBD might not be as much overkill as it might look.

Yeah szeras isn't needed and that's why I said situational, I knew his augment was d3, should have specified that for all reading this thread. My mistake.

The only reasons I would add him are his lance shots, the +1 to reanimation protocol and his 1/3 chance to make them bs 2+ would average 2 units per game assuming he lived long enough to dish out an augment each turn. Situational for sure, just wanted to make sure he had a chance or was useless in this combo.
Thanks for clearing up. I hadn't previously noticed reroll 1s are auto miss regardless of modifiers. So besides his lance, a basic cryptek or orikan would probably be a better option, adds the invulnerable save instead of augment. Hmmm.

Shadowmyth515 wrote:
Yeah szeras isn't needed and that's why I said situational, I knew his augment was d3, should have specified that for all reading this thread. My mistake.

The only reasons I would add him are his lance shots, the +1 to reanimation protocol and his 1/3 chance to make them bs 2+ would average 2 units per game assuming he lived long enough to dish out an augment each turn. Situational for sure, just wanted to make sure he had a chance or was useless in this combo.
Thanks for clearing up. I hadn't previously noticed reroll 1s are auto miss regardless of modifiers. So besides his lance, a basic cryptek or orikan would probably be a better option, adds the invulnerable save instead of augment. Hmmm.

Well as I mentioned before, there is a lot of -1 to hit out there. +1 BS on a unit with MWBD isn't the worst.

And don't forget that there is always the possibility of getting +1 T. This is sometimes even better than +1 BS, as most infantry firepower is S4/5. Increasing the durability of your troops also gives them a better chance to not get wiped in one turn, giving you more chances to roll reanimation protocols for them.

Yeah that's true that +1 t can add some decent durability.
The increased bs would mean I can pop MWBD on a different unit and gain more accuracy overall

PLUS his ranged attack is nice.
I have a melee army as nids already and have zero interest in making my crons melee viable. So I'd prefer them ranged heavy and any sneaky bonuses to help their shooting be even better is great.

The only bonus I'd see as to having a cryptek or orikan instead would be the 5++ bubble.

Also quick question, did necrons hqs lose their reanimation protocol? I don't see it anywhere. I do tend to miss things though.

Since RP doesn't work if there are no models left in the unit, you would never get to use it on a Necron character after they died, this rendering it pointless on them. In place of RP, they have Living Metal.

Just so clear MWBD adds 1 to hit rolls for the turn and Szeras adds 1 to BS for the game.. Which does make a difference as MWBD be applied after rerolls and Szeras will be applied before.

Szeras doesn't help tesla immortals with better tesla explosion, MWBD does, big difference!