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No deep striking CSM 'Daemons', as expected.

Interesting that they didn't mention the loss of the mounted Slaanesh Herald despite providing a full datasheet for Horrors in the CSM FAQ.

So daemon buffs for daemons definitely still effect daemon engines? Weird.

skarsol wrote:
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No deep striking CSM 'Daemons', as expected.

Interesting that they didn't mention the loss of the mounted Slaanesh Herald despite providing a full datasheet for Horrors in the CSM FAQ.

Did they mention loss of rough riders in IG faq? No model, no rules. Is there mounted slaanesh herald model on sale?

Now herald on charriot now THAT is interesting since there actually is model in sale.

Frustrating that they didn't answer exactly how the Hellflayer and Seeker Chariot works in regards to weapons and attacks. Their rules are written in such a stupid way that it's impossible to know what they mean.

Does the Hellflayer have 1D6 or 2D6 Lashes of torment attacks?
It says it's "drawn by two Steeds of Slaanesh that attack with their lashing tongues. Each steed is ridden by Seekers that attack with their piercing claws and lashes of torment"
So 2 models with Lashes of torment for 2D6 attacks?


Seeker chariot says: "A Seeker Chariot is a single model ridden by an Exalted Alluress and a Daemonette Charioteer that attack with their lashes of torment and piercing claws."
Same as above, 2 models with Lashes of torment.

An Exalted Seeker Chariot is a single model ridden by an Exalted Alluress armed with lashes of torment, and is crewed by three Daemonette Charioteers who attack with their piercing claws.
So this time only 1 model has the Lashes of torment?

So wtf? Hellflayer has 2 Seekers armed with Lashes of torment, a weapon they can' take as an option in the Seeker unit. Seeker Chariot has an Exalted Alluress and a Daemonette Charioteer armed with them. The Exalted one has 3 Charioteers but they only have claws and the Exalted Alluress has the Lashes of Torment.

To me RAW says Hellflayer and Seeker Chariot has 2D6 and the Exalted one 1D6 but I've been told in my debate thread that I'm wrong and that it doesn't matter what it says it has and they you use the profile which seems rather <person with below average learning and comprehension skills>.

Hellflayer 93pts 2D6 shooting, D6 Blade Axle, A4 Tongue and 5A from Exalted Allures and 2 Seekers (so an Allures only has 1 attack?)

Seeker Chariot 70 2D6 shooting, D6 per model within 1" after charge, on 6 do MW, A4 Tongue and 5 attacks from Exalted Alluress and Daemonette Charioteer (So a Charioteer has 4 attacks?)

Exalted Seeker Chariot 100 1D6 shooting, D6 per model within 1" after charge, on 6 do MW, A8 Tongue and 8 attacks from Exalted Alluress and 3 Daemonette Charioteers (So who has how many attacks now?). On top of this a degrading profile from 12 wounds A8, A6 and A4.

Exalted chariots are basically worthless.
Why would you ever take an Exalted Seeker Chariot when they are far worse than the other ones?
Why does the Hellflayer say it's drawn by 2 Steeds and the 2 other say "drawn into battle by Steeds of Slaanesh". Is it really so hard to write that the Seeker chariot is drawn by 2 Steeds and the Exalted one 4 Steeds?

The language hasn't changed since the Index. Why is this suddenly an issue now? The model has X number of attacks. That's not per rider, or per horse, it's for the model as a whole. The steeds are handled by the Lashing tongues rule.

So Grey Knights have a 3 damage smite against demons.......does that effect keyword demons or faction keyword demons? Because this FAQ states they are not the same thing apparently.

And it only states strategems, so defilers and the like can still be effected by herald buffs and loci?

Way to make things more confusing GW. Would they really have been that broken?

edit: and for the death guard FAQ, so Death Guard Plague Drones are not faction demon, but Death Guard Plaguebearers are? What? How is this supposed to make any sense


Ok ok ok hold up now. Only obliterators and lord of skulls got their faction demon removed, so you can still use strategems on Defilers, Plagueburst Crawlers etc. Why? This is the most convoluted nonsense I have ever seen. They clearly did not think this through for a second.

 Don Savik wrote:
So Grey Knights have a 3 damage smite against demons.......does that effect keyword demons or faction keyword demons? Because this FAQ states they are not the same thing apparently.

And it only states strategems, so defilers and the like can still be effected by herald buffs and loci?

Way to make things more confusing GW. Would they really have been that broken?

edit: and for the death guard FAQ, so Death Guard Plague Drones are not faction demon, but Death Guard Plaguebearers are? What? How is this supposed to make any sense


Ok ok ok hold up now. Only obliterators and lord of skulls got their faction demon removed, so you can still use strategems on Defilers, Plagueburst Crawlers etc. Why? This is the most convoluted nonsense I have ever seen. They clearly did not think this through for a second.

Well, those units also have Heretic Astartes as faction keyword.

You need Daemons faction only for the Strategems. Seems very clear.

skarsol wrote:
The language hasn't changed since the Index. Why is this suddenly an issue now? The model has X number of attacks. That's not per rider, or per horse, it's for the model as a whole. The steeds are handled by the Lashing tongues rule.

This is why it's an issue.... it was always an issue and it was never addressed. So as long as a problem is never changed from the Index and never FAQ'd then it will never be a problem, ok got it...

Consistency is the problem with the attacks each rider has. Steeds are easy as each steed has 2 attacks each. Rider attacks are random and follow no established pattern.

So how many Lashes of Torment attacks do each chariot have? 1D6 because you ignore what the rules say the models are equipped with or 2D6 because you follow the rules for what the models are equipped with?

 Don Savik wrote:
So Grey Knights have a 3 damage smite against demons.......does that effect keyword demons or faction keyword demons? Because this FAQ states they are not the same thing apparently.

And it only states strategems, so defilers and the like can still be effected by herald buffs and loci?

Way to make things more confusing GW. Would they really have been that broken?

Previously, once the game started, there was no difference between Factions and Keywords. Now, there is a difference in the case of certain strategems. The only change the FAQ makes is disabling a strategem for certain units that was only even possible for a couple weeks. What's the big issue?

 Don Savik wrote:

edit: and for the death guard FAQ, so Death Guard Plague Drones are not faction demon, but Death Guard Plaguebearers are? What? How is this supposed to make any sense

The Plaguebearers are faction Daemon because Plaguebearers are faction Daemon.

 Don Savik wrote:

Ok ok ok hold up now. Only obliterators and lord of skulls got their faction demon removed, so you can still use strategems on Defilers, Plagueburst Crawlers etc. Why? This is the most convoluted nonsense I have ever seen. They clearly did not think this through for a second.

If you look, those units already had Daemon in the Keyword section as opposed to the Faction section.


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 MadCowCrazy wrote:

skarsol wrote:
The language hasn't changed since the Index. Why is this suddenly an issue now? The model has X number of attacks. That's not per rider, or per horse, it's for the model as a whole. The steeds are handled by the Lashing tongues rule.

This is why it's an issue.... it was always an issue and it was never addressed. So as long as a problem is never changed from the Index and never FAQ'd then it will never be a problem, ok got it...

Consistency is the problem with the attacks each rider has. Steeds are easy as each steed has 2 attacks each. Rider attacks are random and follow no established pattern.

So how many Lashes of Torment attacks do each chariot have? 1D6 because you ignore what the models are equipped with or 2D6 because you follow the rules for what the models are equipped with?

No, the steeds have 0 attacks each. The Seeker Chariot gets 4 additional Lashing tongue attacks.

The Lashes of Torment is indeed less clear on the Seeker Chariot, but the intention seems pretty obvious, especially based on how the steeds are treated. The Exalted Seeker Chariot is 1D6 and I'm not sure how you can argue anything else there.

No, the steeds have 0 attacks each. The Seeker Chariot gets 4 additional Lashing tongue attacks.

Using this logic the Hellflayer should get 8 attacks with Lashing tongue as it comes with 2 "Steeds of Slaanesh" and the profile is for each Steeds of Slaanesh and not for 2 Steeds of Slaanesh.

Hellflayer:
"two Steeds of Slaanesh that attack with their lashing tongues"

Steeds of Slaanesh
"After models riding a Hellflayer make their close
combat attacks, you can attack with the Steeds of
Slaanesh. Make 4 additional attacks, using this
weapon profile."

If any other non infantry model in the game is listed as having more than one weapon you can always use those weapons the number of times you have the weapon.
Got 2 lascannons on a vehicle? You can shoot 2 lascannons.

The problem here is that we have no idea how Chariots or Cavalry work as there are no rules for them.
You could argue that the chariots only have 1D6 Lashes because it's an assault weapon and not a pistol, it all depends on how far you are suppose to go with ignoring the riders. Every other chariot in the game has precise and consistent rules for exactly what each model on the chariot does.

The text should say: A Hellflayer/Seeker Chariot/Exalted Chariot is a single model. It attacks with piercing claws, has 1 or 2 Lashes of torment and Steeds of Slaanesh. Hellflayer has 1 Bladed Axle.

That's it, with that text you would completely ignore all the riders and all the extra and pointless bull doodoo. Yet GW does not write it this way, they detail exactly what is and how many are on the model yet you are suppose to ignore most of it yet doing so for any other model in the game would be cheating/playing it wrong.

Just look at any other chariot, the riders have exactly as many attacks as their non rider versions and use the exact same rules. But this does not apply to Slaanesh chariots because reasons.

The profile says "Steeds of Slaanesh." To my reading, the plural use of Steeds clearly indicates that the profile covers both Steeds. You don't have "each Steeds", you have 2 Steeds and thus the 4 additional attacks cover all attacks made by the Steeds (plural). The abilities profile on the Lashing Tongues further confirms my reading ("you can attack with the Steeds").

I agree that it's poorly written, but I don't see a textual basis for any other interpretation here.

It has come to my attention that I'm a bit of a donkey hole at the moment.
After taking 40mg of Citalopram for 18 years I decided to stop taking it 2 weeks ago. I'm having some horrible withdrawal symptoms, pretty much all of them with shivers every few minutes and dizzyness when I move my eyes from side to side.

These last few days I've also started having panic attacks and felt a bit moody.

So if I've offended someone or hurt someones feeling because they couldn't handle something I've written I'm sorry.

According to google my symptoms can last for up to 2 months so 6 more weeks to go. I assume I will have 2 months since I've eaten it for 18 years and just stopped.

I will simply not post for 2 months until my brain normalizes, if it even can. I should probably have lowered my dose over several months instead of just stopping but too late now.

If I post I will try to be positive but as a Sisters of Battle player negativity is in my soul.

Hmm... I hope you get better.