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Hi guys,

New warhammer 40K hobbyist, decided on expanding my universe to the world of zombie metal beings.

As I'm pretty dedicated to painting the models, I'm curious if its worth investing in "Pay and Spray!" (Purchasing a leadbelcher spray for undercoating!)

Already kitted out with the Chaos black spray (Is this any different to the abbadon black?... I hope not!) so wondering if applying two base coats on top of one another will result in... problems.

Just curious, as every guide ive read recomends applying the metal on naturally with a brush.

Cheers, guys!

I've done it before, although not with "official" GW sprays. It ended up pretty shining, which worked for me as they were Grey Knights.

If you've already primed black, I just go for the dry brush metal. The Spray may require several washes to tone down the shiny (unless that's what you want)

The left model was sprayed gold, the right was sprayed silver:


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Did you apply a nuln oil wash to the silver spray?! It looks so SHINY!

Ive been told: Abbadon black base -> Leadbelcher -> Iron breaker (For really light armour) -> Nuln wash to finish

Ive used black wash on bolt-guns which was based in leadbelcher (and it looks amazing) but curious how the leadbelcher spray + Nuln oil looks ontop of abbadon black.

Basically, Don't want to purchase the spray and regret it!

2 coats of spray shouldnt cause any problems at all unless one of the coats is applied incorrectly/too thick.

But if they are already black I would just dry-brush whatever metal color you want on top of the black. Do a test model and see how you like it.

Sadly, I'm in no position to 'test', got the Necron battleforce on its way and just finished up my small Deathwing Army.

I'm in the process of purchasing all the paints required - as I plan on a large army build, Leadbelcher spray feels like a great speed/quality process. (Watched a video, showing the spray/paint and they are practically identical!)

harley1200 wrote:
Did you apply a nuln oil wash to the silver spray?! It looks so SHINY!

Basically, Don't want to purchase the spray and regret it!

I don't know what 'nuln oil' is, so no I didn't use it. I just watered down a dark silver(boltgun mixed with black), then before the paint dried, I wiped off the paint from the edges with my thumb.
I think it is worth the time to drybrush the metal on if you've never sprayed/washed. It's more time consuming, but it's less risky

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Yeah it's fine to do. I did the exact same thing on my Penitent Engines with Chaos Black and Leadbelcher.

I skip the Chaos Black undercoat and go straight to the Leadbelcher spray. Layer with Ironbreaker, wash in Nuln Oil, then layer back over with Ironbreaker. Gives me some nice, shiny 'Crons. You could add a highlight of Runefang Steel or Stormhost Silver if you want, but it's a really subtle effect and really hard to notice unless you're looking for it.

And since you asked, Chaos Black and Abaddon Black aren't quite the same. Chaos Black is a little bit flatter.

If you don't like the glossy finish of ink washes, you can always either: water down the ink and go for 2-3 light washes or get matte acrylic medium or matte varnish spray. Note, the varnish spray does make it overall a tone darker, so you'll need to up the contrast when painting.

 Galef wrote:

harley1200 wrote:
Did you apply a nuln oil wash to the silver spray?! It looks so SHINY!

Basically, Don't want to purchase the spray and regret it!

I don't know what 'nuln oil' is, so no I didn't use it. I just watered down a dark silver(boltgun mixed with black), then before the paint dried, I wiped off the paint from the edges with my thumb.
I think it is worth the time to drybrush the metal on if you've never sprayed/washed. It's more time consuming, but it's less risky

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Nuln oil is just a type of wash. Basically just the standard black wash that you can buy from GW. Im sure you could just as easily make it

 EnTyme wrote:
I skip the Chaos Black undercoat and go straight to the Leadbelcher spray.

Do you have a picture of a model primed using leadbelcher spray... Only? That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!

If I were to undercoat leadbelcher (prime) + apply iron breaker I suppose that will remove any plastic gaps, - apply nuln oil and you would have an insanely shiny model!

As I have not began painting - Unsure wheather to go:

Chaos black = leadbelcher = Nuln oil = Necron compound (Drybrush)

Or

Chaos Black = Leadbelcher = Iron breaker = Nuln oil = Necron compound (Drybrush).

(Both using Caliban green, warpstone, moot green for green areas)

But im interested to see an primed leadbelcher model!

harley1200 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I skip the Chaos Black undercoat and go straight to the Leadbelcher spray.

Do you have a picture of a model primed using leadbelcher spray... Only? That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!

GW's website mention that their colored sprays are meant to be used over a primed model. However, on WHTV, Duncan said you could just spray the bare plastic without issue. I also know a guy who uses the golden spray (retributor?) directly on plastic, and it works fine. I've never used one of their colored spray myself though.

I'm assuming you don't have an airbrush? Otherwise black undercoat, followed by dark silver at 90°, light silver from top, black wash, and finally a shiny silver drybrush should work pretty well.
In any case, a silver spray is probably a very sound investment for a necron army.

Black Undercoat (spray)

Leadbelcher base ontop (spray)


I'm following WHTV's duncans necron guide which mentions about the decision to not use Iron breaker after leadbelcher to leave a more darker appearance.

Think I'm going to try:

1: Leadbelcher primer

2: Black undercoat primer - Leadbelcher basecoat

Then decide if I want to use Iron breaker, or not... Which would require an additional 2 models depending what I prefer from the first scenario.

From painting an army of boltguns, the satisfaction of applying Nuln oil to leadbelcher cannot be explained so hopefully I prefer this 'dark' necron appearance.

As you may of guest, slightly OCD




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Just realised I can test the appearance of applying

1: Leadbelcher primer VS Chaos black primer + Leadbelcher

2: Leadbelcher + Nuln oil VS leadbelcher + Ironbreaker + Nuln oil

Using old, pieces from my bits box.... Thank god I thought of this sooner

harley1200 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I skip the Chaos Black undercoat and go straight to the Leadbelcher spray.

Do you have a picture of a model primed using leadbelcher spray... Only? That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!

If I were to undercoat leadbelcher (prime) + apply iron breaker I suppose that will remove any plastic gaps, - apply nuln oil and you would have an insanely shiny model!

As I have not began painting - Unsure wheather to go:

Chaos black = leadbelcher = Nuln oil = Necron compound (Drybrush)

Or

Chaos Black = Leadbelcher = Iron breaker = Nuln oil = Necron compound (Drybrush).

(Both using Caliban green, warpstone, moot green for green areas)

But im interested to see an primed leadbelcher model!

I'll run home on my lunch break and get a picture for you. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about gaps. The Necron plastics are really good kits. Never had any issues with gaps.

*edit* Here's one of my Immortals painted with Leadbelcher spray, Ironbreaker layer, Nuln Oil wash, then second Ironbreaker layer. Quality isn't up to my usual standard, but this was the first army I ever painted.

THANK YOU SO MUCH! You really didn't have to go home at lunch!

So you didn't undercoat the model first with a black, then leadbelcher?

Currently going for the Chaos Black -> Leadbelcher VS Chaos Black -> Leadbelcher -> Ironbreaker ->Nuln oil

harley1200 wrote:
THANK YOU SO MUCH! You really didn't have to go home at lunch!

So you didn't undercoat the model first with a black, then leadbelcher?

Currently going for the Chaos Black -> Leadbelcher VS Chaos Black -> Leadbelcher -> Ironbreaker ->Nuln oil

Do the chaos black and leadbelcher for your troops.

Use the other for your fancier models. No point in killing yourself on regular grunts.