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2018/01/25 22:08:49
Subject: How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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It has stats, it's listed as a model not a piece of gear, it appears to have <CHAPTER> Infantry status.
That seems to indicate the following:
A: Only nine Devastators and a Cherub can fit in a Rhino. Not ten and Cherub.
B: RAW A Dev Squad can only Combat Squad if it is either nine Marines and a Cherub, or simply ten marines. As the Combat Squads rule says: "A Devastator Squad containing 10 models may split. . ."
Super squaky part: A Devastator Squad "contains" ten models even if it has "eleven"?
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2018/01/25 22:11:48
Subject: How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Norn Queen
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 Insectum7 wrote:..
It has stats, it's listed as a model not a piece of gear, it appears to have <CHAPTER> Infantry status.
That seems to indicate the following:
A: Only nine Devastators and a Cherub can fit in a Rhino. Not ten and Cherub.
B: RAW A Dev Squad can only Combat Squad if it is either nine Marines and a Cherub, or simply ten marines. As the Combat Squads rule says: "A Devastator Squad containing 10 models may split. . ."
Super squaky part: A Devastator Squad "contains" ten models even if it has "eleven"?
You are correct on both points. Only nine Devastators and a Cherub can fit in a Rhino and A Dev Squad can only Combat Squad if it is either nine Marines and a Cherub, or simply ten marines.
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2018/01/25 22:26:19
Subject: How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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It's a model, but I'd imagine most folk would allow you to combat squad and get in a Rhino. Just discuss with your opponent lest they be intent on turning it into A Thing mid-game.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/01/25 22:46:08
Subject: Re:How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Read the FAQs. From the stepping into a new edition of 40k :
Q: Do models with profiles, such as Armorium Cherubs
and Ammo Runts, count as a model for the purposes of
embarking within transports or when measuring ranges
to and from the unit?
A: Yes – for all rules purposes they are part of the unit.
The cherub is a model and part of the unit. The max size of the unit is 10. So, you can have 10 marines, or 9 marines and a cherub. But not 10 marines and a cherub.
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2018/01/25 22:54:39
Subject: Re:How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Lieutenant General
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 p5freak wrote:The cherub is a model and part of the unit. The max size of the unit is 10. So, you can have 10 marines, or 9 marines and a cherub. But not 10 marines and a cherub.
No. From page 172 of Codex Space Marines:
This unit contains 1 Space Marine Sergeant and 4 Space Marines. It can include up to 5 additional Space Marines (Power Rating +3). Each model is armed with a boltgun, bolt pistol, frag grenades and krak grenades. The unit may be accompanied by an Armorium Cherub, which is not armed with any weapons.
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2018/01/26 00:22:37
Subject: How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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You can have 10 marines and a cherub, but they cant all fit in the rhino.
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2018/01/26 18:37:28
Subject: How much of a "model" is an Armorium Cherub
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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 Eihnlazer wrote:You can have 10 marines and a cherub, but they cant all fit in the rhino.
Seconded.
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