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Thoughts and feedback. It's a brigade and has a lot of surprisingly annoying units. It gives up maelstrom "kill a unit" easily, unfortunately and has 21 drops.

Predator w/Lascannons Pred Autocannon Storm Bolter
Predator w/Lascannons Pred Autocannon Storm Bolter
Baal Predator w/Twin Assault Heavy Bolters Storm Bolter
Baal Predator w/Twin Assault Heavy Bolters Storm Bolter
Techmarine w/ Power Axe Conversion Beamer
Captain w/Power Sword Master boltgun
Primaris LT w/ Power Sword
Tac marines w/Lascannon Power Sword
Tac marines w/Lascannon Power Axe
Scouts w/ CC weapons
Scouts w/ CC weapons
Scouts w/ shotguns
Scouts w/ shotguns
Attack Bike w/ Heavy Bolter Twin Bolter
Attack Bike w/ Heavy Bolter Twin Bolter
Attack Bike w/ Heavy Bolter Twin Bolter
Reivers w/Grapnel and carbines
Reivers w/Grapnel and carbines
Lemartes
Death Company w/ 4 more 2 X power sword Thunder Hammer

5 Man units?

I worry about anti-tank.

Yup 5 man units.

Looks pretty good to me!

What are the death Company doing? If you don't have a set plan I'd look at instead taking sang. Guard and a jump pack lieutenant, who you make your warlord. It's a nasty combo, far tougher, better damage output too

 Insectum7 wrote:
5 Man units?

I worry about anti-tank.

The two normal Preds are in charge of tanks.
I'd consider a third one.

I was looking in my Dex and couldn’t find the entry for the conversion Beamer . Is that available to our techmarines?

Also I’ll be that guy and ask-would this a better space marine codex army? Besides DC and the baals this looks fairly vanilla. I like it but maybe you’d get more mileage out of a different chapter trait.

I think the Baal Preds are a bad call. They seem over priced, even if a TO allows them to make use of Killshot. I would personally replace them with another normal pred and a ranged dreadnought to make use of wisdom of the ancients or whatever, allows units within 6" of a dread to reroll hits of 1.

Maybe, but I expect one to be sacrificial, and I'd rather sacrifice a Baal than a regular pred. Also, kilshot with that many shots is pretty nasty.

Rules as written you simply cannot use killshot. I believe it's on page 194 of the SM codex. But i have to check when i get home. I keep forgetting to check.

Tpiddy wrote:I was looking in my Dex and couldn’t find the entry for the conversion Beamer . Is that available to our techmarines?

Yes, via index.

Marmatag wrote:Rules as written you simply cannot use killshot. I believe it's on page 194 of the SM codex. But i have to check when i get home. I keep forgetting to check.

You are right, but ITC allows baal preds to use killshot.

Is there a formal ITC statement that they go against RAW???

The TOs can actually make whatever rules they like. They had quite an extensive ITC FAQ in 7th ed. It's much smaller now, but this is how ITC judges have been ruling it.

Also, ITC rulings have made their way into the main rules in 8th quite readily. Your play groups should probably prepare to accept Baals for killshot. I don't know why anyone would care, as the Baal is really not even usable without killshot access and even then its average.

I'm curious as to why you think baal preds can't use the killshot strategem? They have the right keyword used in the strategem and I don't see any other wording that would restrict them from being able to use it? (the killshot strategem has slightly different wording in the BA codex to the same strategem in the CSM dex, I'm not sure of the wording in the SM dex as I haven't got a copy)

Reread the stratagem and pay attention how the word predator is written. Is it predator or PREDATOR ?

It's PREDATOR keyword, the same keyword that's on the baal predator datasheet...


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I just checked the strategem, I was mistaken... Sorry

THey can be swapped for dakka preds one for one until this mess is sorted by GW.