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Do Elysian drop troops have access to the non regiment specific strategems?

Riggs wrote:
Do Elysian drop troops have access to the non regiment specific strategems?

It depends what you mean by "have access to".

Page 132 of the codex defines what an "ASTRA MILITARUM Detachment" is.

Page 134 of the codex gives permission to use the stratagems if you have any non Aux Support "ASTRA MILITARUM Detachmants".

Afaik all the Elysian Drop Troop units have the ASTRA MILITARUM keyword. So if you have a detachment of Elysian Drop Troop units, they qualify to unlock the stratagems. Of course, as always, they don't have access to them by default, you need a proper detachment.

From the IAI:Forces of the Astra Militarum FAQ

Q: Can Death Korps of Krieg, Elysian Drop Troops or Renegades and Heretics Detachments use any of the Regiment-specific rules (Doctrines, Orders, Stratagems, Warlord Traits, etc.) in
Codex: Astra Militarum?
A: No. Instead these units use the bespoke abilities and Orders that are described in Imperial Armour – Index: Forces of the Astra Militarum

That seems to be the only limitation. Anything else, just like BCB said.

Yes, they can use non-regiment specific Stratagems.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Yes, they can use non-regiment specific Stratagems.

I think OP may have been asking whether Elysian detachments unlock the non-regiment specific strategems, not just whether the strategems can be used on them. The answer to that seems to be unclear given the rules/FAQs that have been released to date.

 Cadian16th wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Yes, they can use non-regiment specific Stratagems.

I think OP may have been asking whether Elysian detachments unlock the non-regiment specific strategems, not just whether the strategems can be used on them. The answer to that seems to be unclear given the rules/FAQs that have been released to date.

It's not unclear. With the exception of Chaos Daemons (who got a special snowflake FAQ), the rules allow for stratagems to be used on any legal target regardless of what detachment or book they come from. As long as you unlock them with an appropriate detachment of course.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Cadian16th wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Yes, they can use non-regiment specific Stratagems.

I think OP may have been asking whether Elysian detachments unlock the non-regiment specific strategems, not just whether the strategems can be used on them. The answer to that seems to be unclear given the rules/FAQs that have been released to date.

It's not unclear. With the exception of Chaos Daemons (who got a special snowflake FAQ), the rules allow for stratagems to be used on any legal target regardless of what detachment or book they come from. As long as you unlock them with an appropriate detachment of course.

The latter part of your comment is what I was referring to when I said it was unclear. It is clear that the AM strategems can be used on targets that satisfy all the strategem targeting requirements. What is unclear is whether a pure Elysian detachment counts as an AM detachment (per the Codex definition), thereby unlocking all generic strategems, warlord traits, and relics.

 Cadian16th wrote:
The latter part of your comment is what I was referring to when I said it was unclear. It is clear that the AM strategems can be used on targets that satisfy all the strategem targeting requirements. What is unclear is whether a pure Elysian detachment counts as an AM detachment (per the Codex definition), thereby unlocking all generic strategems, warlord traits, and relics.

It's the opposite of unclear. As I pointed out, Page 132 of the codex defines what an "ASTRA MILITARUM Detachment" is. All units that can have the ELYSIAN DROP TROOPS keyword also have the ASTRA MILITARUM keyword, so any detachment that only has units with the ELYSIAN DROP TROOPS by definition also all have the ASTRA MILITARUM keyword, thus unlock the stratagems as per page 134 of the codex. Page 134 doesn't care what book the units come from, it only cares about the keywords they have.

Anyone saying otherwise is simply ignoring the rules and objectively incorrect.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Cadian16th wrote:
The latter part of your comment is what I was referring to when I said it was unclear. It is clear that the AM strategems can be used on targets that satisfy all the strategem targeting requirements. What is unclear is whether a pure Elysian detachment counts as an AM detachment (per the Codex definition), thereby unlocking all generic strategems, warlord traits, and relics.

It's the opposite of unclear. As I pointed out, Page 132 of the codex defines what an "ASTRA MILITARUM Detachment" is. All units that can have the ELYSIAN DROP TROOPS keyword also have the ASTRA MILITARUM keyword, so any detachment that only has units with the ELYSIAN DROP TROOPS by definition also all have the ASTRA MILITARUM keyword, thus unlock the stratagems as per page 134 of the codex. Page 134 doesn't care what book the units come from, it only cares about the keywords they have.

Anyone saying otherwise is simply ignoring the rules and objectively incorrect.

Aside from the needlessly-confrontational last sentence (which ascribes motive when there may simply be a lack of understanding), I agree. It isn't unclear at all.

Elysian are an Astra Militarum Regiment, albeit one with special rules that replace the Doctrine and Regiment-specific Stratagems. Any Astra Militarum Detachment unlocks basic AM Stratagems. Only the Regiment-specific ones are out of bounds, and Elysians cannot have a Codex Doctrine, as per the FAQ.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Aside from the needlessly-confrontational last sentence (which ascribes motive when there may simply be a lack of understanding), I agree. It isn't unclear at all.

In BCBs defense he provided those references right at the start. One could expect someone to read post #2 of a thread.

Along the same vein....can a Leman Russ Annhilator or Conqueror be assigned to a specific regiment and thus gain a doctrine etc?

Sorry to threadnap, it just popped into my head...

General Hobbs wrote:

Along the same vein....can a Leman Russ Annhilator or Conqueror be assigned to a specific regiment and thus gain a doctrine etc?

Sorry to threadnap, it just popped into my head...

Yes.

General Hobbs wrote:

Along the same vein....can a Leman Russ Annhilator or Conqueror be assigned to a specific regiment and thus gain a doctrine etc?

Sorry to threadnap, it just popped into my head...

Yes, they may, because they have the <REGIMENT> keyword.